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Hype. Without question.
It hasn't even been a week.
As the article notes, no one even knows what this new competition look like. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that this endeavor will be more effective at developing players than what currently exists. None. -
I was confused at the idea of a new pyramid... how is this any different than the pyramids before it?Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
I was wondering if putting a for profit entity (mls) at the unequivocal tip of the pyramid would foster better Talent Identification overall. Obviously it will be based on how seriously each mls market wants to take it.
Another question, does talent ID take a dip in Washington? With Xfire “all in” on Boys ECNL, does that raise the value of ECNL more than the reduction of teams in WA “playing at the highest level”?
Boys ECNL, as currently structured, as an opportunity to be a beast of a league.
Sounders Academy, as the uncontested top of the pyramid in boys soccer in WA should bode well for them.
Do all boats rise?Comment
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Boys soccer? Is that discussed on here?Comment
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I don't see how it changes anything. This isn't a new approach. If anything, it is just another version of the old ODP system.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
But instead of having one overarching system for talent identification, we would now have 3 separate systems.
The problem at the heart of all of this is pay-to-play. While that is in place, this country will not develop a coherent, consistent approach to youth development and identification.Comment
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Are you aware of some concrete proposal for eliminating pay to play? Ideally, how many more players do you think should be playing for free and why? Giving people stuff they value for free without some expectation of a return on that investment (like a training or transfer fee for those players who make it professionally) isn’t a sustainable business model. Most if notOriginally posted by Unregistered View Post
all the top boys academies (including sounders and XF locally) are free, although they start later than pro academies do in other countries. Clubs like XF are able to do that only by charging a lot to other teams (both their own b and c teams and the attendees at their tournaments), and pro clubs like Sounders do they because they want to develop future pros to roster or sell on. I don’t see how there’s any viable model for not having pay to play for the vast majority of soccer players.Comment
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I believe given the vast size of the US, some version of ODP/Id2 is the answer. What percentage of the population is not within reasonable communiting distance to a club with either ECNL or this new MLS league? I thought the DA statistic was approximately 50%. ODP/ID2, whatever is ends up being needs to eliminate fees. My kid has to pay to tryout, pay a pool fee, pay for Region IV championships, pay for Regional camp, then pay for another tournament like Friendship Cup? That’s ridiculous and isn’t developing anything other than coaches bank accounts.Comment
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No, I am not aware of any concrete proposal.
That would require leadership from US Soccer and investment in the game at the grassroots/local level (both in terms of coaches and facilities) by US Soccer. Numerous other countries do this. There is literally no reason we could not.Comment
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So many times the discussion moves to pay to play. Rec soccer exists throughout the US and fees range from $100 - $300 annually. Surely affordable for most. Those that can’t afford it are offered scholarships.
The other issue is often transportation. Harder to solve for, but not an issue that Youth Soccer should have to pay for.
Want a professional coach, year long soccer, turf fields, fancy uniforms and travel?
It costs money!
Soccer is available.
However for boys, the availability of actual soccer scholarships is extremely limited. And median compensation for a US soccer player in MLS is about the same as a day laborer. Our best athletes still gravitate to football and basketball, where the payout either for scholarships or professional compensation are significantly higher.
How many 12 year olds know who Christian Pulisic is or where he plays? Or Weston McKennie? Or Tyler Adams? You think many 12 year olds are buying Jordan Morris jerseys outside of Seattle?Comment
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The median MLS salary was a $135k, that’s a bit better than a day laborer. Boys could also go make more money playing D2 in Europe.Comment
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You should try not to talk so much, friend. You'll sound far less stupid that way.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Are we talking about day laborers in Dubai or Seattle? Average Championship salary is 8k Pounds per week. League one is 52k Pounds a year. Idiot.Comment
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Yes, it is higher than a day laborer, sorry for the exaggeration. But with half the MLS salaries being lower than $135k, that is still not much compensation. The Median in the NFL is $850k, significantly higher.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Looking at "average" salary is not a great measurement.Comment
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Median is not average. Average is about $350k. Minimum is $81k. Pretty good for the 25tj best league in the world...Comment
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MLS sucks, so does the Men’s National Team. Secret to growing soccer here is to find a way to market UCL, EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga to kids. Have come far recently, but Fox and Turner completely botched Bundesliga and the Champions League. ESPN will probably do a better job next season with Bundesliga, hard to believe CBS could do worse than Turner with CL.Comment
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