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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    All the coaches got their license from the same place. All families base the quality of soccer at a club from their experiences Meaning some parents could not have things their way and they are upset. You will see a lot of negative and bitter parents on ts. When a parent realizes their kid suck they alway look for someone to blame. The majority of the time it's is alway the coach and club. These idiotic parents never blame themselves or the lazy child. The most important thing in choosing a club is having realistic expectations.
    Multiple sanctioning bodies to obtain licenses from

    When all age groups are doing poorly, it’s usually the institution, leader ship, not just the kids

    Look at objective metrics to evaluate the club

    Speak with parents at the club and those who left

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      Take whatever the departing parents say with a grain of salt though. They may be correct in their criticism, or they may have sour grapes over playing time. It's hard to know unless you actually know the kid or parent a bit. Having said that, good advice.

      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Multiple sanctioning bodies to obtain licenses from

      When all age groups are doing poorly, it’s usually the institution, leader ship, not just the kids

      Look at objective metrics to evaluate the club

      Speak with parents at the club and those who left

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Multiple sanctioning bodies to obtain licenses from

        When all age groups are doing poorly, it’s usually the institution, leader ship, not just the kids

        Look at objective metrics to evaluate the club

        Speak with parents at the club and those who left
        Most coaches have a ussf license. Very few have a UEFA license. The talent pool is very important. Clubs need money. When their is lack of talent, all players are accepted into the program. Coaching talented players is different from coaching untalented player. No club has the secret to development. If a club could truly develop player the entire area would be rushing to join that club. Wff suffer from a lack of talented player not poor coaching. The poster claim the coaching is bad. Well, where is your child currently playing? How did the team do? Are they national champ with this much better coach? You probably had a bad experience. No one find fault with your opinion.

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          There is also NSCAA licenses.

          The tricky thing is that parents unfortunately judge the teams at a young age by wins and losses and aren't looking for style of play. The better coaches care less about winning until they are senior teams and more about coaching style of play and fundamentals. If you have a fast striker, you can have the goalie punt every save and the striker run the ball down to put constant pressure on the opponent. That team will probably win more games than the one that plays out of the back even when down by a goal in league play. Too often the parents of the stronger players look to leave the "underperforming" team in favor of the winner before they even get past puberty. The result is that it is harder for a coach to stay committed to development over winning or they risk losing talent. The best teams have talent and a development philosophy, but people aren't patient enough to go through the process and would rather chase U11 trophies.

          WFF has some good coaches and some poor ones. They have struggled because TBU has done a better job of recruiting talent from outside the club and getting access to leagues. The result is a talent drain. It's not that the TBU coaches are developing better, it is that they get the benefit of adding outside talent every year.


          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Most coaches have a ussf license. Very few have a UEFA license. The talent pool is very important. Clubs need money. When their is lack of talent, all players are accepted into the program. Coaching talented players is different from coaching untalented player. No club has the secret to development. If a club could truly develop player the entire area would be rushing to join that club. Wff suffer from a lack of talented player not poor coaching. The poster claim the coaching is bad. Well, where is your child currently playing? How did the team do? Are they national champ with this much better coach? You probably had a bad experience. No one find fault with your opinion.

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            Boys side or girls? And if you are looking at the East Lake campus, forget it. They have nothing of quality (team wise) for either boys or girls. I do think they have a few good coaches at East Lake though if learning the game is all that matters.

            For Brandon, some teams are still in that sweet spot of better than most CDL, not up to ECNL level.

            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Thinking of avoiding the drama and poaching circus about to go down between TBU and Fl Pr...

            Any thoughts on becoming a flamer??? kid is better than CDL/USA but not quite ECNL Material.... just wants to play at a decent level and have fun.

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Most coaches have a ussf license. Very few have a UEFA license. The talent pool is very important. Clubs need money. When their is lack of talent, all players are accepted into the program. Coaching talented players is different from coaching untalented player. No club has the secret to development. If a club could truly develop player the entire area would be rushing to join that club. Wff suffer from a lack of talented player not poor coaching. The poster claim the coaching is bad. Well, where is your child currently playing? How did the team do? Are they national champ with this much better coach? You probably had a bad experience. No one find fault with your opinion.
              Exactly! Yoyo is the best coach in Tampa, probably in all of Florida. WFF is lucky to have him. The WFF parents and players love his coaching.

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Exactly! Yoyo is the best coach in Tampa, probably in all of Florida. WFF is lucky to have him. The WFF parents and players love his coaching.

                yoyocan’tcoach

                The club has done nothing but decline since he has been there. All the talent that was once there has left.

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                  Coaching and being a DOC are 2 different skill sets. Just because he is killing the club with mismanagement doesn't mean the guy can't still train and coach a team. Diego at East Lake is the same. The girls will learn from both of them. But neither should be in management.

                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  yoyocan’tcoach

                  The club has done nothing but decline since he has been there. All the talent that was once there has left.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Coaching and being a DOC are 2 different skill sets. Just because he is killing the club with mismanagement doesn't mean the guy can't still train and coach a team. Diego at East Lake is the same. The girls will learn from both of them. But neither should be in management.
                    That is an absolutely true statement you made. Yo yo cannot do either. There’s no doubt he can’t manage West Florida flames. Looking at the history, yo yo takes over a good team, that team declines under his watch, he then pawns off that team to somebody else placing blame. That has been his MO since he has been at that club.

                    He’s probably a trainer, nothing more.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Coaching and being a DOC are 2 different skill sets. Just because he is killing the club with mismanagement doesn't mean the guy can't still train and coach a team. Diego at East Lake is the same. The girls will learn from both of them. But neither should be in management.
                      #yoyoneedstogogo

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                        West Florida flames have been mismanaging funds for years this is why the club is in bad shape. The coach are comparable to other clubs. Overall the club lacks structure. Of course, the parents will claim the coaching
                        at Wff sucks and end up at the Rangers or Florida Florida premier. Parents stop blaming the coach. Your child is not the next big thing. Let the kids enjoy their youth and playing soccer.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Coaching and being a DOC are 2 different skill sets. Just because he is killing the club with mismanagement doesn't mean the guy can't still train and coach a team. Diego at East Lake is the same. The girls will learn from both of them. But neither should be in management.
                          Except in this case, they guy stinks on all three levels. He's as **** of a coach as director. Just look at the teams over the years he's had and how he ran into the ground. He has a low level license, only part time goalie trained before jumping into director role and head coach. He's a miserable person too. We all know why he's still here. If he went he'd take whole board ship with him.
                          He is the stereotype of FL soccer and whats wrong with it. I wouldn't refer my best enemy to this club. Anywhere else is better.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            #yoyoneedstogogo
                            He should have gonegone 4 years ago. The board pres and vp should gogo too.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Except in this case, they guy stinks on all three levels. He's as **** of a coach as director. Just look at the teams over the years he's had and how he ran into the ground. He has a low level license, only part time goalie trained before jumping into director role and head coach. He's a miserable person too. We all know why he's still here. If he went he'd take whole board ship with him.
                              He is the stereotype of FL soccer and whats wrong with it. I wouldn't refer my best enemy to this club. Anywhere else is better.
                              I agree with some of your comments, he should not be in a leadership position since he has ruined the entire girls program. He does not know how to lead and his ego gets in the way instead of using the knowledge of his coaching staff. He can't or doesn't know how to fix it, so he just assigns himself to another program in the club.

                              He has not a very good record when it comes to coaching teams. He is a very good goalie trainer and that is all he should be. They need to keep him away from any decision making. I do know many coaches who are very good trainers/coaches who do not have a high level license but have played on higher level.
                              Yoyo is not very respected by his own staff. He wants to be respected but does not have the tact to have the staff buy into his philosophy.
                              It is a well known secret why he still is in a leadership role, unfortunately it has nothing to do with soccer. This is not the forum to announce that reason!

                              I wish WFF the best but as long as Yoyo is in charge this club will be mediocre!

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                I agree with some of your comments, he should not be in a leadership position since he has ruined the entire girls program. He does not know how to lead and his ego gets in the way instead of using the knowledge of his coaching staff. He can't or doesn't know how to fix it, so he just assigns himself to another program in the club.

                                He has not a very good record when it comes to coaching teams. He is a very good goalie trainer and that is all he should be. They need to keep him away from any decision making. I do know many coaches who are very good trainers/coaches who do not have a high level license but have played on higher level.
                                Yoyo is not very respected by his own staff. He wants to be respected but does not have the tact to have the staff buy into his philosophy.
                                It is a well known secret why he still is in a leadership role, unfortunately it has nothing to do with soccer. This is not the forum to announce that reason!

                                I wish WFF the best but as long as Yoyo is in charge this club will be mediocre!
                                If your child does not play there, than your opinion is only meant to stir the pot. To all the wff parents on this thread it time for a reality check. Professional players are training 40 to 50 hours a week. Your child spends 3 hour a week. What type of result are you expecting? In an average high level soccer match the striker are running 6 to 9 miles a game. When has your little darling ran 3 miles straight. Before you can expect results from the club and coach, you need to know the work involved in becoming great soccer player. Parents your kids do not train outside of practice sessions but you want good results. The results will never happen without the work. Parents if someone can turn your child into an amazing player with 3 to 4 hour of training a week. You should leave wff. Tell all your friends and families about this person.

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