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**Unregistered** · 03-11-2019, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

If you want to find the best players, you need to look for them. We live in a small, rural community and if the big programs control the ODP then talented players never get the opportunity. What is the purpose of the ODP? Is it really to find talented players. If it was you would come watch some of the Mexican kids play at our local school on the weekends.

That isa fundamental failing of ODP. Players who could really be assisted by ODP talent identification won't ever be seen because they're not at "high level" clubs. Many can't afford it either. ODP does a poor job making it affordable or with scholarships, and also fails with outreach programs to get the word out to non club channels

**Unregistered** · 03-11-2019, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Our daughter was a GK and in ODP for several years. One year, the Tennessee coach who was very involved in ODP Region III was the head of our daughter's age group. Sure enough, after R3 camp in Alabama, they announce the 2 GKs going to the Thanksgiving Camp in Florida: both from Tennessee teams - both from the same club that the ODP coach from Tennessee coaches with. So after a 6-month long selection process, evaluating GKs from 11 States in R3, the 2 best GKs in an age group come from a single club in Tennessee with a coach that is heavily involved in ODP?

We brought this to the attention of Strickland - he never answered our messages. Daugther decided to punch out of ODP after that. She's committed to a high level D1 program in Fall, 2019. She benefitted from ODP but the politics are brutal and the Florida ODP leadership are complete push-overs.

Odp is like this in every state. US Soccer wouldn�t need GDA/DA if they actually ran ODP correctly and without politics. As it is odp is a joke.

**Unregistered** · 03-11-2019, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Odp is like this in every state. US Soccer wouldn�t need GDA/DA if they actually ran ODP correctly and without politics. As it is odp is a joke.

In fairness US soccer as a whole is a joke for many of the same reasons.

**Unregistered** · 03-11-2019, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Odp is like this in every state. US Soccer wouldn�t need GDA/DA if they actually ran ODP correctly and without politics. As it is odp is a joke.

It all starts with ODP largely using "volunteer coaches" because they really don't pay the coaches (who are a collection of Club and College coaches) very much at all. And the reason for that is the State soccer organizations (think FYSA) are trying to keep the majority of the ODP player fees for their State organizations - not investing in the ODP players.

So it is understood from the very beginning that these "volunteer coaches" are going to have agendas and ODP looks the other way when the coaches work their individual agendas during the player selection process. ODP leadership just stands by as the coaches make "highly suspect" selections.

**Unregistered** · 03-11-2019, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

It all starts with ODP largely using "volunteer coaches" because they really don't pay the coaches (who are a collection of Club and College coaches) very much at all. And the reason for that is the State soccer organizations (think FYSA) are trying to keep the majority of the ODP player fees for their State organizations - not investing in the ODP players.

So it is understood from the very beginning that these "volunteer coaches" are going to have agendas and ODP looks the other way when the coaches work their individual agendas during the player selection process. ODP leadership just stands by as the coaches make "highly suspect" selections.

This is also part of the reason why some clubs have a very disproportionate number of players that make ODP. For years, Sunrise and FKK have had a disproportonately higher number of players make ODP. Follow the money!

**Unregistered** · 03-11-2019, 01:36 PM

It�s all about the money. They aren�t really looking for the most talented players if you have to pay to attend the try outs.

**Unregistered** · 03-11-2019, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Our daughter was a GK and in ODP for several years. One year, the Tennessee coach who was very involved in ODP Region III was the head of our daughter's age group. Sure enough, after R3 camp in Alabama, they announce the 2 GKs going to the Thanksgiving Camp in Florida: both from Tennessee teams - both from the same club that the ODP coach from Tennessee coaches with. So after a 6-month long selection process, evaluating GKs from 11 States in R3, the 2 best GKs in an age group come from a single club in Tennessee with a coach that is heavily involved in ODP?

We brought this to the attention of Strickland - he never answered our messages. Daugther decided to punch out of ODP after that. She's committed to a high level D1 program in Fall, 2019. She benefitted from ODP but the politics are brutal and the Florida ODP leadership are complete push-overs.

not surprising he never returned your email. that guy is extremely arrogant and needs to be replaced

**Unregistered** · 03-11-2019, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Strickland has been doing it for years! Now you got this guy Baker taking his prime/Boca kids. This is why the drop off at the older ages is so big. It takes a few years before you really start seeing the BS. U11 should be ok for a year or so

cut him a check or have your wife smile at him... one of the two will get your kid selected.. strickland been like this for YEARS.. Baker is just a smuck looking out for "his select few"..

**Unregistered** · 03-11-2019, 07:49 PM

Now I get it. They don't select the skilled kids who they don't know. Instead they select the lesser talented kids. This allows them to select their own players because they look better than the ones they let through. Makes total sense now. Knowing the coaches are volunteers who are selecting the kids connects the dots even further. The fat pigs walking around with clip boards should be ashamed of themselves. At least act like you have a European accent. That would qualify you for sure. Maybe even justify a pay raise.

**Unregistered** · 03-11-2019, 09:22 PM

What club was original post referencing?

**Unregistered** · 03-12-2019, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Pausatio horto est asinus View Post

Funny how rigged the ODP is. Where coaches choose half of their own team to participate in the Regional Camp. Seriously, how can one team in a lightly populated area have 4 eleven year old girls that represent the future of Women's soccer. Folks it's just not statistically possible. If FYSA WANTS TO GROW THE ODP PROGRAM THEN RIGGING A BUNCH OF 5TH GRADERS NEEDS TO ADDRESSED. DOC'S USING THE ODP TO MARKET THEIR OWN PROGRAM IS ANTITHETICAL TO PLAYER DEVELOPMENT...

Because ODP is not selecting as many players from clubs with ECNL or DA because those leagues have their own ID selection programs. The clubs with top teams in FYSA leagues will have a higher representation of ODP state players and ones who get selected for ODP Region camp and Region teams.

**Unregistered** · 03-12-2019, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Because ODP is not selecting as many players from clubs with ECNL or DA because those leagues have their own ID selection programs. The clubs with top teams in FYSA leagues will have a higher representation of ODP state players and ones who get selected for ODP Region camp and Region teams.

There are a couple of things wrong with this post:
1) DA players are forbidden from playing in ODP.
2) ODP does invite many ECNL players but many ECNL players decline.
3) "The clubs with top teams in FYSA leagues will have a higher representation of ODP state players and ones who get selected for ODP Region camp and Region teams." Many/most of the top teams in FYSA leagues are the 2nd or 3rd teams at clubs that have ECNL teams too but for the reasons listed above they only have a few or no ODP players. It's fishy why a Sunrise would have so many ODP players compared to other clubs that also do very well in FYSA leagues.

**Unregistered** · 03-12-2019, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

There are a couple of things wrong with this post:
1) DA players are forbidden from playing in ODP.
2) ODP does invite many ECNL players but many ECNL players decline.
3) "The clubs with top teams in FYSA leagues will have a higher representation of ODP state players and ones who get selected for ODP Region camp and Region teams." Many/most of the top teams in FYSA leagues are the 2nd or 3rd teams at clubs that have ECNL teams too but for the reasons listed above they only have a few or no ODP players. It's fishy why a Sunrise would have so many ODP players compared to other clubs that also do very well in FYSA leagues.

Duh Sunrise top players do not have ECNL or DA selection programs so they have the top ODP for their players. Why do you think ODP holds so many training and selection events in south Florida? Fort Myers has no ECNL or DA and only ODP.