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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIf ECNL doesn’t see the writing on the wall and switch teams to graduation year, every current ECNL 02 team has to merge with the remaining 01s. Only 2 choices then: 1)Cut 10-12 players on average (who may have been playing ecnl for years) or have a team with 30+ players, and fewer showcases for u18/u19 teams to boot. If the ECNL clubs allow this to happen every year, they really don’t care about the players nor even their own business model.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostECNL has had a “composite” division to deal with this issue since the birth year change, and as a result there isn’t any need to cut the current ecnl players who don’t make the top 18/19 team. The composite division is optional, so clubs that don’t have enough players to fill out a second 18/19 team don’t do it.
Because they are their own league, ECNL has the complete ability to set up grade based teams but play under the birth year system. They would grow ECNL by at least 33% and be able to compete with GDA. College commitment process would be exponentially easier. Keep doing what you’re doing and participation will continue to fall and the quality of your product tumbled as well. Good business minds and good soccer minds should know better.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSoccer participation down 15% and counting since birth year mandate. Most clubs can’t even field a separate u18 and u19 so they have to combine and then cut a third of the players. Then more seniors quit because there’s only a few of them. Then more juniors quit because the team is falling apart, they don’t do hardly any showcases and college coaches don’t really come watch u19 because they think they must either be already committed seniors or seniors who aren’t too weak of players to get committed. All the juniors on the team get screwed too - in what used to be a big recruiting year. Repeat this process every year and also at the 8th/9th birth year fiasco years.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe composite team does nothing to “deal with” this issue. It’s like every year right at prime recruiting age of junior year, telling about 12 players who have been solid ECNL players for years: “Look, you don’t have to be cut, we’ve got a nice B team you can play on and play vs other similar B teams because every ecnl club is screwing these players over across the country. Don’t worry, college coaches will definitely come to recruit heavily from these B teams! Plus, you still get the pleasure of paying megabucks for these B teams”! College coaches assume these teams are made up of seniors who aren’t good enough to be committed and juniors who they have banished to never never land right when recruiting should be really heating up for them.
Because they are their own league, ECNL has the complete ability to set up grade based teams but play under the birth year system. They would grow ECNL by at least 33% and be able to compete with GDA. College commitment process would be exponentially easier. Keep doing what you’re doing and participation will continue to fall and the quality of your product tumbled as well. Good business minds and good soccer minds should know better.
2. A “B” team player is a “B” team player.
3. Whether birth year or grade based, some children will always be negatively effected.
4. While I do think birth year had a negative effect on soccer numbers in the short term, I think equally impactful are Fortnite, availability of marijuana, and he number of 11 year olds with phones.
5. Put money in a 529 plan and let your child walk on a team that he/she chooses, instead of living vicariously through your child hoping for some grand scholarship that equates to $500 a year at some school you’ve never heard of.
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US Soccer is trying to bury ECNL with GDA so I don’t know why ECNL would follow their mandates any more. I don’t know whether it was a mandate or a strong suggestion either but it is literally killing youth soccer and making it way worse even for the national teams.
If ECNL is somehow forced by USSF to do birth year age groups, then (because they are their own national league) the easy work around for ECNL is this for next year:
ECNL teams for the 2019/20 Season
2001 (U19) = All Seniors - born in 2001 or later (ex: many 2002s)
2002 (U18) = All Juniors - born in 2002 or later
2003 (U17) = All Sophomores - born in 2003 or later
2004 (U16) = All Freshmen - born in 2004 or later
ETC.
-This is completely “legal”. In fact, USSF encouraged players to play up so having, for example, 2002s who are seniors play with their 2001 senior peers makes perfect sense.
-This splits the current cluster of having to combine the U18&U19 birth year groups into one team. If no change to grad year next year, ALL the current U17 2002s must combine with the remaining seniors born in 2001 currently juniors on the 200/01 combined teams. This leaves about 10 current players out of a team period. With Grad Year, all the current 2002s AND the remaining 2001s have a team at their current ECNL club - (unless they quit or get replaced as always).
-Double Bonus for ECNL: GDA still has to combine U18/U19 so the 10 or so GDA players that are out of a team will come knocking on nearby ECNL doors.
-Triple bonus: with the current recruiting scandal and new, tighter, stricter NCAA recruiting rules that are set up by GRADE (the NCAA doesn’t care what year a player was born - ONLY what grade they are in), ECNL grade team players would all be on the exact same recruiting timeline and rules! All could either talk or not talk to college coaches, etc so rules would be easy to follow and there would be great transparency to the NCAA that ECNL players are not violating any NCAA recruiting rules. College coaches, next year under MUCH more scrutiny wouldn’t have to worry at a showcase that they are illegally talking to one of the ten 2003 sophomores that’s on the U17 team with all the 2003 juniors. Easy to follow the rules on both sides of its a known team of all juniors. And, yes, of course players could still play up and guest and that would have to be pointed out as an exception but it would be an exception to the rule.
Quadruple bonus: If an ECNL team wanted to play in a non-Ecnl tournament, they can! Some of the birth year team players on the other team might be from the older grade and be some months older, but then the ECNL team has a perfect excuse if they lose and are otherwise being a little more challenged anyway.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostUS Soccer is trying to bury ECNL with GDA so I don’t know why ECNL would follow their mandates any more. I don’t know whether it was a mandate or a strong suggestion either but it is literally killing youth soccer and making it way worse even for the national teams.
If ECNL is somehow forced by USSF to do birth year age groups, then (because they are their own national league) the easy work around for ECNL is this for next year:
ECNL teams for the 2019/20 Season
2001 (U19) = All Seniors - born in 2001 or later (ex: many 2002s)
2002 (U18) = All Juniors - born in 2002 or later
2003 (U17) = All Sophomores - born in 2003 or later
2004 (U16) = All Freshmen - born in 2004 or later
ETC.
-This is completely “legal”. In fact, USSF encouraged players to play up so having, for example, 2002s who are seniors play with their 2001 senior peers makes perfect sense.
-This splits the current cluster of having to combine the U18&U19 birth year groups into one team. If no change to grad year next year, ALL the current U17 2002s must combine with the remaining seniors born in 2001 currently juniors on the 200/01 combined teams. This leaves about 10 current players out of a team period. With Grad Year, all the current 2002s AND the remaining 2001s have a team at their current ECNL club - (unless they quit or get replaced as always).
-Double Bonus for ECNL: GDA still has to combine U18/U19 so the 10 or so GDA players that are out of a team will come knocking on nearby ECNL doors.
-Triple bonus: with the current recruiting scandal and new, tighter, stricter NCAA recruiting rules that are set up by GRADE (the NCAA doesn’t care what year a player was born - ONLY what grade they are in), ECNL grade team players would all be on the exact same recruiting timeline and rules! All could either talk or not talk to college coaches, etc so rules would be easy to follow and there would be great transparency to the NCAA that ECNL players are not violating any NCAA recruiting rules. College coaches, next year under MUCH more scrutiny wouldn’t have to worry at a showcase that they are illegally talking to one of the ten 2003 sophomores that’s on the U17 team with all the 2003 juniors. Easy to follow the rules on both sides of its a known team of all juniors. And, yes, of course players could still play up and guest and that would have to be pointed out as an exception but it would be an exception to the rule.
Quadruple bonus: If an ECNL team wanted to play in a non-Ecnl tournament, they can! Some of the birth year team players on the other team might be from the older grade and be some months older, but then the ECNL team has a perfect excuse if they lose and are otherwise being a little more challenged anyway.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostUmmmmm maybe because they enjoy the game ?
You can still enjoy the game without the all the time and cost commitments of a travel club in DA or ECNL.
By Spring time, it is even hard to keep a team of HS seniors who will be playing college soccer motivated.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostProm, graduation, college applications, etc...
You can still enjoy the game without the all the time and cost commitments of a travel club in DA or ECNL.
By Spring time, it is even hard to keep a team of HS seniors who will be playing college soccer motivated.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostUS Soccer is trying to bury ECNL with GDA so I don’t know why ECNL would follow their mandates any more. I don’t know whether it was a mandate or a strong suggestion either but it is literally killing youth soccer and making it way worse even for the national teams.
If ECNL is somehow forced by USSF to do birth year age groups, then (because they are their own national league) the easy work around for ECNL is this for next year:
ECNL teams for the 2019/20 Season
2001 (U19) = All Seniors - born in 2001 or later (ex: many 2002s)
2002 (U18) = All Juniors - born in 2002 or later
2003 (U17) = All Sophomores - born in 2003 or later
2004 (U16) = All Freshmen - born in 2004 or later
ETC.
-This is completely “legal”. In fact, USSF encouraged players to play up so having, for example, 2002s who are seniors play with their 2001 senior peers makes perfect sense.
-This splits the current cluster of having to combine the U18&U19 birth year groups into one team. If no change to grad year next year, ALL the current U17 2002s must combine with the remaining seniors born in 2001 currently juniors on the 200/01 combined teams. This leaves about 10 current players out of a team period. With Grad Year, all the current 2002s AND the remaining 2001s have a team at their current ECNL club - (unless they quit or get replaced as always).
-Double Bonus for ECNL: GDA still has to combine U18/U19 so the 10 or so GDA players that are out of a team will come knocking on nearby ECNL doors.
-Triple bonus: with the current recruiting scandal and new, tighter, stricter NCAA recruiting rules that are set up by GRADE (the NCAA doesn’t care what year a player was born - ONLY what grade they are in), ECNL grade team players would all be on the exact same recruiting timeline and rules! All could either talk or not talk to college coaches, etc so rules would be easy to follow and there would be great transparency to the NCAA that ECNL players are not violating any NCAA recruiting rules. College coaches, next year under MUCH more scrutiny wouldn’t have to worry at a showcase that they are illegally talking to one of the ten 2003 sophomores that’s on the U17 team with all the 2003 juniors. Easy to follow the rules on both sides of its a known team of all juniors. And, yes, of course players could still play up and guest and that would have to be pointed out as an exception but it would be an exception to the rule.
Quadruple bonus: If an ECNL team wanted to play in a non-Ecnl tournament, they can! Some of the birth year team players on the other team might be from the older grade and be some months older, but then the ECNL team has a perfect excuse if they lose and are otherwise being a little more challenged anyway.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis is why soccer participation is down 18% and sliding. Organizing all of girls youth soccer sound finding the next USWNT player is eroding the bottom of the pyramid. My youngest is almost done but I feel bad for the youngers and for girls soccer soccer in the USA.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostIf the new recruiting rules go through at the end of this month, no contact will be allowed until after sophomore year. 1/3 of ECNL juniors will have to play on u19 teams with little college exposure because under the old rules and age groups, u19 would be older seniors who were mostly already committed or weren’t good enough to get committed. Junior year is the new prime recruiting year. Ecnl and other leagues need to adapt or will lose even more players.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThis is why soccer participation is down 18% and sliding. Organizing all of girls youth soccer sound finding the next USWNT player is eroding the bottom of the pyramid. My youngest is almost done but I feel bad for the youngers and for girls soccer soccer in the USA.
Pay to play is ruining soccer, not birth year.
Birth year had a large initial impact as players were being split from their teams, but it has evened out.
The declining enrollment has more to do with Pay to Play and specialization than birth year. Continuing to harp on birth year makes you sound like all the other parents and kids making an excuse as to why their DD or DS is not on the “A” team. Move on.
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