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    Rumor about a premier league replacing OYSA

    I overheard a bunch of parents on the sidelines talking about a new league for the area's premier teams in Portland that would replace OYSA. Is this just sideline chatter?

    #2
    OPL part deux

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I overheard a bunch of parents on the sidelines talking about a new league for the area's premier teams in Portland that would replace OYSA. Is this just sideline chatter?
      I'm sure the usual suspects are considering BECNL, for the same reasons that they formed OPL and other splinter leagues in the past. (Dissatisfaction with OYSA and the Timbers, and to avoid travel to Bend or Eugene, mainly. Along with trying to increase their cachet and bolster their recruitment numbers, by saying "we're better than those OYSA schlubs", a dubious claim when it's largely the same clubs they played the year before.)

      Be certain that if FC, UPDX, ADF, OPFC, etc. do move to BECNL, that Eugene, Bend, Rogue Valley, and Capitol (let alone Latino clubs like Cuervos, LAFC/IFC, or the various things that have arisen out of the ashes of 4H) will NOT be invited to join. Whether Eastside, Westside, or PCU joins in will participate is a good question. (Cony, after all, managed to help blow up both the OPL and the Oregon DA, taking WT into both leagues originally, and then leaving when he realized than neither any better than OYSA)

      And US Club seems to be eager to admit any USYSA team, or at least skim the cream off of the top. And given the lack of a non-profit rule, don't be surprised if SCA gets to join, too!

      Fun times.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        OPL part deux
        Part troix. DA was OPL part deux.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          I'm sure the usual suspects are considering BECNL, for the same reasons that they formed OPL and other splinter leagues in the past. (Dissatisfaction with OYSA and the Timbers, and to avoid travel to Bend or Eugene, mainly. Along with trying to increase their cachet and bolster their recruitment numbers, by saying "we're better than those OYSA schlubs", a dubious claim when it's largely the same clubs they played the year before.)

          Be certain that if FC, UPDX, ADF, OPFC, etc. do move to BECNL, that Eugene, Bend, Rogue Valley, and Capitol (let alone Latino clubs like Cuervos, LAFC/IFC, or the various things that have arisen out of the ashes of 4H) will NOT be invited to join. Whether Eastside, Westside, or PCU joins in will participate is a good question. (Cony, after all, managed to help blow up both the OPL and the Oregon DA, taking WT into both leagues originally, and then leaving when he realized than neither any better than OYSA)

          And US Club seems to be eager to admit any USYSA team, or at least skim the cream off of the top. And given the lack of a non-profit rule, don't be surprised if SCA gets to join, too!

          Fun times.
          LOOOOL! Cony was the main culprit in creating the OPL. He blows in the wind that helps him most. Get your facts straight scrub.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            LOOOOL! Cony was the main culprit in creating the OPL. He blows in the wind that helps him most. Get your facts straight scrub.
            Yes, and he helped to blow it up too. Whether this was a case of him coming to his senses, sucking up to the Timbers, or simply being himself, I'll let others decide.

            Interesting question--since BECNL Washington couldn't combine with a BECNL Oregon due to the different boys high school seasons, how many teams would have to leave OYSA to form a viable league. Oregon DA was barely viable with six teams last season, less than that would be too small. (Playing the same five opponents year round got to be old).

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Yes, and he helped to blow it up too. Whether this was a case of him coming to his senses, sucking up to the Timbers, or simply being himself, I'll let others decide.

              Interesting question--since BECNL Washington couldn't combine with a BECNL Oregon due to the different boys high school seasons, how many teams would have to leave OYSA to form a viable league. Oregon DA was barely viable with six teams last season, less than that would be too small. (Playing the same five opponents year round got to be old).
              Gavin and the Timbers blew up the OPL and they used the newly formed Timbers Alliance to do it. Cony was just one of the lemmings.

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                #8
                Just tell us where to mail the checks - if it is made out to Peregrine, we tend to spit in the envelope; other than that it is all first world problems.

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                  #9
                  It’s BECNL

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    It’s BECNL
                    Of course it is. This was predicted last year when the Oregon DA collapsed--we'd have one year of unified OYSA, as the collapse happened too late for the other clubs to make any alternate arrangements, then the usual suspects, wanting to sell a patch to egotistical parents, would pull their A teams out of OYSA the following year and bolt off to an Oregon BECNL league.

                    Difference between that and OPL, I guess, is that it's mainly the premier teams, not every last team at the clubs. ECNL doesn't (at the current time) do B teams (by which I mean the second teams of most clubs), so those teams will stick around in OYSA, presumably, so this is less of a threat to OYSA's business model, especially if clubs dual-register their players (which many might do to maintain roster flexibility). Peregrine will get slightly less money assuming the BECNL teams don't do state cup, but given that the administration costs scale with the number of teams, I doubt this will hurt Merritt Paulsen's bottom line much.

                    Potentially a big impact on RTC/ODP, as I suspect BECNL clubs will steer their talented players to the US Club id2 program, especially if it promises to keep the Timbers' scouts away.

                    The interesting question is--which clubs? UPDX (the new FC), OPFC, and ADF are likely bets. THUSC might join as well; it's boys' program is starting to become respectable, especially at the younger ages. FC's boys program has fallen on hard times of late (zero state cups last year)--they might be tempted to join, but might not. As noted previously, part of the raison d'etre of this is to avoid road trips to Bend, so any non-metro clubs will probably be excluded (Why plane trips to showcases are OK, but car trips to central Oregon not OK, don't ask me). Latino clubs probably can't afford the showcase travel. SCA would probably love to be included, but they might not have enough of a history. Neighborhood clubs like LYS or HSC or AUSC or Thelo aren't likely to be invited either.

                    The wildcards would be PCU, Eastside, and of course Westside.

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                      #11
                      Bend isn’t so bad since their teams are good enough and Bend is a nice place to visit. Trips to rogue valley and Eugene are the problem.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Bend isn’t so bad since their teams are good enough and Bend is a nice place to visit. Trips to rogue valley and Eugene are the problem.
                        Eugene is strong at many age groups, and generally doesn't require an overnight stay.

                        RVT seems to not be as strong as they used to be, and with in n out opening in Salem next month, there's one less reason to go to Medford.

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                          #13
                          Only way BECNL is viable in Oregon is if boys give up HS soccer to play fall league against the Washington and NorCal teams. It works for the girls because they play in the spring with no high school conflicts.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Only way BECNL is viable in Oregon is if boys give up HS soccer to play fall league against the Washington and NorCal teams. It works for the girls because they play in the spring with no high school conflicts.
                            Also our girls stink so HS is their best choice for development.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Only way BECNL is viable in Oregon is if boys give up HS soccer to play fall league against the Washington and NorCal teams. It works for the girls because they play in the spring with no high school conflicts.
                              Currently, the smallest "division" in BECNL is the "Mountain" division (basically Colorado), with six teams.

                              Whether Oregon would be a separate division, or the NW Division would be split into two "conferences" (one WA, one OR or OR/ID, since Idaho also does soccer in the fall) is a good question. The Washington BECNL league currently has eight teams (six from the Puget Sound area--WFPC in Tacoma, SU, Crossfire, PacNW, and Eastside in the Seattle area, and Snohomish in Everett--WashT from the Couv, and one team from Spokane).

                              The Timbers, I don't think, really care that much about the DA/ECNL business, as they didn't object to WashT (an Alliance club) joining. They probably don't care if the Idaho Alliance clubs (one in Boise and one in Coeur d'Alene) join either, though they might object if the six Oregon clubs in TA do so, as it would impact the State Cup. But if some of the local clubs are unhappy about OYSA league games in Medford, what about travel to northern Idaho, which is nearly twice as far?

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