US Soccer argues male players have more 'skill' than female players in equal pay case

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If you stopped all USSF operations six years ago and started up the next day with a separate mens ussf and womens ussf that were completely different companies, and ran it out for 6 years and looked at the amount of cash flow produced, you would see that the women produce a lot more cash than the men.

The men sponsorship dollars are weak because they simply are not very good. They lose a lot.

The women are extremely marketable because they attractive people with interesting personalities and they win a lot. They fill stadiums.

The truth is that they don’t and they spend just as much. Bad business is bad business.

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If you stopped all USSF operations six years ago and started up the next day with a separate mens ussf and womens ussf that were completely different companies, and ran it out for 6 years and looked at the amount of cash flow produced, you would see that the women produce a lot more cash than the men.

The men sponsorship dollars are weak because they simply are not very good. They lose a lot.

The women are extremely marketable because they attractive people with interesting personalities and they win a lot. They fill stadiums.

That wouldn’t be fair. Men have to provide for their families. They should get paid more. Women might get pregnant which is a drag.

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If you stopped all USSF operations six years ago and started up the next day with a separate mens ussf and womens ussf that were completely different companies, and ran it out for 6 years and looked at the amount of cash flow produced, you would see that the women produce a lot more cash than the men.

The men sponsorship dollars are weak because they simply are not very good. They lose a lot.

The women are extremely marketable because they attractive people with interesting personalities and they win a lot. They fill stadiums.

Since there has been a USWNT, the men have out-earned them significantly in all but two years. And the period where the women earned more was fluky because the men managed to fail to qualify for both the Olympics and the World Cup. Most years the men are going to earn more, a lot more, because the men make money internationally where the women can only earn money in the US.

But again, earnings are only part of the story. The men are asked to do a lot more to earn that money and do so without any of the financial protections given to the women and the women's pro-league. It's a much riskier prospect for the men to participate in the USMNT program and it's more grinding on their bodies. So when the men participate they compensated for that greater risk.

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There is a very easy solution to this. Create one plan on how to compensate players. However the Women dont want the plan the Men are on. They want more. They want all the benefits they currently receive plus the same money. That is not equal. And of course the Men hope they get it, so they can demand the same planas the Women.

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If you stopped all USSF operations six years ago and started up the next day with a separate mens ussf and womens ussf that were completely different companies, and ran it out for 6 years and looked at the amount of cash flow produced, you would see that the women produce a lot more cash than the men.

The men sponsorship dollars are weak because they simply are not very good. They lose a lot.

The women are extremely marketable because they attractive people with interesting personalities and they win a lot. They fill stadiums.

They should just do this now. Then you can compensate men and women based on how much they produce. There would be no argument. Men might not like it because women might make more but that’s capitalism.

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Facts are since 2016 Women have made more Money for US Soccer then our Men's team. For some reason this is unbearable for guy soccer types.

Problem is in USA that men and boys soccer players have felt under appreciated since grade school. This is when they wouldn't get picked for Football or Basketball games in school yard and started to play soccer. Now they have to take a back seat to WOMEN!!!... Oh the disappointment.. Kinda feel sorry for the little fellas that they can't share in the joy of watching our ladies compete and win at the highest levels.

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They should just do this now. Then you can compensate men and women based on how much they produce. There would be no argument. Men might not like it because women might make more but that’s capitalism.

Since the men's world cup brings in 30x the women's world cup, can we assume you'll be happy when the men's players are earning 30x the women's? The women have nowhere to go but down in revenue while the men have nowhere to go but up. Smart investors spend more money on upside potential than barely profitable ventures. We should probably be investing even more in the men's side than we are currently if we're looking at it through a capitalist lens.

Nobody who fully comprehends the way both get paid today is arguing the women have gotten screwed.

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Since the men's world cup brings in 30x the women's world cup, can we assume you'll be happy when the men's players are earning 30x the women's? The women have nowhere to go but down in revenue while the men have nowhere to go but up. Smart investors spend more money on upside potential than barely profitable ventures. We should probably be investing even more in the men's side than we are currently if we're looking at it through a capitalist lens.

Nobody who fully comprehends the way both get paid today is arguing the women have gotten screwed.

I think maybe a jury will decide this. Grab the popcorn and watch.

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Facts are since 2016 Women have made more Money for US Soccer then our Men's team. For some reason this is unbearable for guy soccer types.

Problem is in USA that men and boys soccer players have felt under appreciated since grade school. This is when they wouldn't get picked for Football or Basketball games in school yard and started to play soccer. Now they have to take a back seat to WOMEN!!!... Oh the disappointment.. Kinda feel sorry for the little fellas that they can't share in the joy of watching our ladies compete and win at the highest levels.

Let's wait and see when the actual $$ are laid out, the greedy USWNT players will probably choose to gobble up the money and starve the NWSL to its death.

They will get what they deserve and no one will care.

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Facts are since 2016 Women have made more Money for US Soccer then our Men's team. For some reason this is unbearable for guy soccer types.

Problem is in USA that men and boys soccer players have felt under appreciated since grade school. This is when they wouldn't get picked for Football or Basketball games in school yard and started to play soccer. Now they have to take a back seat to WOMEN!!!... Oh the disappointment.. Kinda feel sorry for the little fellas that they can't share in the joy of watching our ladies compete and win at the highest levels.

The uswnt currently generates more revenue.

They should both eat what they kill. The men will be eating grubs and berries and the women get steak.

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The uswnt currently generates more revenue.

They should both eat what they kill. The men will be eating grubs and berries and the women get steak.

The woman's pro-league will collapse if they get the same exact contracts as the men.

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The woman's pro-league will collapse if they get the same exact contracts as the men.

US Soccer has been propping up the NWSL from day 1 - it can't survive on it's own, and is barely surviving as is. I say give the women the same exact contracts as the men - and then watch them howl as they start making far less than they are now when their clubs have to cut them because they can't afford to pay them...

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US Soccer has been propping up the NWSL from day 1 - it can't survive on it's own, and is barely surviving as is. I say give the women the same exact contracts as the men - and then watch them howl as they start making far less than they are now when their clubs have to cut them because they can't afford to pay them...

The current pay structure for the woman was setup specifically to make the NWSL a viable league so that US Women had a domestic league to play in. Before the NWSL fired up the US women that wanted to make a career in soccer had to play in Europe in order to earn enough to not have to have something else as their primary career. Many players that would have otherwise been on the USWNT chose to quit soccer, or to make it a part-time pursuit, because they were not willing to move out of the country to be able to play soccer full time.

Having every player on the USWNT playing domestically year round is a large factor in why the US women's team returned to dominance after a lull they experienced a decade ago. But propping up the NWSL costs the USSF a lot of money. So if the women want to be treated just like the men, then they should be prepared to have the NWSL fold and to be forced to move to Europe outside of the short periods that are the Olympic and World-Cup runs. And be prepared to lose the dominant depth that has allowed the USWNT to steamroll other teams no matter what players are injured or otherwise unavailable.

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The current pay structure for the woman was setup specifically to make the NWSL a viable league so that US Women had a domestic league to play in. Before the NWSL fired up the US women that wanted to make a career in soccer had to play in Europe in order to earn enough to not have to have something else as their primary career. Many players that would have otherwise been on the USWNT chose to quit soccer, or to make it a part-time pursuit, because they were not willing to move out of the country to be able to play soccer full time.

Having every player on the USWNT playing domestically year round is a large factor in why the US women's team returned to dominance after a lull they experienced a decade ago. But propping up the NWSL costs the USSF a lot of money. So if the women want to be treated just like the men, then they should be prepared to have the NWSL fold and to be forced to move to Europe outside of the short periods that are the Olympic and World-Cup runs. And be prepared to lose the dominant depth that has allowed the USWNT to steamroll other teams no matter what players are injured or otherwise unavailable.

Valid points...

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Split into two separate companies. Mens NT and Womens NT. Then it is pretty clear how much each is making and where the money is going to. That would solve the first part of this problem. Gives each party a clear pictures of profitability so they can negotiate from there.

I suspect the men would not like that because most sponsors would pile on to the WNT. They are super successful, attractive and have marketable personalities for the most part.