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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    There should be no delicate balance. Sports are a meritocracy and the club and the player enter a one year agreement.

    Get better. Produce. Improve and stay on the team.

    Stay the same. Stagnate. Get worse. Get cut from the team.

    This is how meritocracy and sports work. If the coach or club aren’t providing the environment to improve and get better, then CUT them and move on to one that will.

    This is the way. Anything else is a social club disguised as a sports team.
    This is the way.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      This is the way.
      Gets it

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        I am surprised a club would let an ECNL team
        Lose for that long and the club won’t fix the coach or team makeup?

        I have seen this exact thing happen but with a non-ECNL team at the same age group with a daddy coach that has kept the same core players since Rec. The players haven’t improved and have peaked in their abilities years ago while other players who are more skilled come fill in the holes the tenured ones can’t fill. The problem is two fold.

        1) The club is to blame for letting a daddy coach have such an influence on keeping core players (Rec quality) together that long when the team can’t compete. New people figure out the scam after being with the team and the process just repeats itself. Because it isn’t the top team, the club looks the other way since the money is coming in.
        In reality - it is selfish of the club for the few players that are working hard for a team that the core players don’t have to do anything since they are “tenured” to return.

        2) for the coach it is selfish because of all the issues it brings by not just having his kid and that kids friends on the team and refusing to get rid of the dead weight.

        Best thing to do is get away from the team to one that tryouts actually mean what they say and a club that won’t put up with daddy ball. Because the truth is if it wan’t for the system that particular daddy coach has in place, those kids would have stopped playing all-together if it meant having to move on and try out for another team. Coddling by the coach and parents is a disservice to the players that care about competing and improving and the parents paying for and expecting that environment.

        It should be the club’s team, not the coaches team. When you do that you are playing Rec in a club environment.
        You are complaining about a non-ECNL team???

        Guys, this is youth soccer, not the EPL. 90% of travel soccer players will not play beyond HS anyways. There's something to be said about having a good group of parents and player loyalty. Unless the coaches pay is based on wins and losses . . . who cares.

        There could be many reasons. Maybe there aren't that many players coming in to create another team or fill all the spots if a team suffers a lot of losses. There are plenty of mercenary families who move from club to club for greener pastures or when they believe a better opportunity exists. Those players will end up leaving a team high and dry in the long run.

        Keeping a core of players who know each other and developed together may not work at the highest levels of soccer but it's more than adequate for youth sports and likely preferable to the worthless dynamic you normally find in travel soccer.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          You are complaining about a non-ECNL team???

          Guys, this is youth soccer, not the EPL. 90% of travel soccer players will not play beyond HS anyways. There's something to be said about having a good group of parents and player loyalty. Unless the coaches pay is based on wins and losses . . . who cares.

          There could be many reasons. Maybe there aren't that many players coming in to create another team or fill all the spots if a team suffers a lot of losses. There are plenty of mercenary families who move from club to club for greener pastures or when they believe a better opportunity exists. Those players will end up leaving a team high and dry in the long run.

          Keeping a core of players who know each other and developed together may not work at the highest levels of soccer but it's more than adequate for youth sports and likely preferable to the worthless dynamic you normally find in travel soccer.
          That is really a twisted way to justify decisions impacting young people looking for joining a team for reasons that had absolutely nothing to do with your clique or kid. So selfish and sad.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            You are complaining about a non-ECNL team???

            Guys, this is youth soccer, not the EPL. 90% of travel soccer players will not play beyond HS anyways. There's something to be said about having a good group of parents and player loyalty. Unless the coaches pay is based on wins and losses . . . who cares.

            There could be many reasons. Maybe there aren't that many players coming in to create another team or fill all the spots if a team suffers a lot of losses. There are plenty of mercenary families who move from club to club for greener pastures or when they believe a better opportunity exists. Those players will end up leaving a team high and dry in the long run.

            Keeping a core of players who know each other and developed together may not work at the highest levels of soccer but it's more than adequate for youth sports and likely preferable to the worthless dynamic you normally find in travel soccer.
            Social club disguised as a sports team. Sounds like the coach wants to drag everyone else down to his kids level of play or lack of ability to develop. Crazy.

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              #21
              I agree and appreciate that at least some people have the right perspective on this. It is mostly about fun and fitness for your kids. Keep them busy and out of trouble and tell them do get As in school. Enjoy the ride, it will be over too soon

              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              You are complaining about a non-ECNL team???

              Guys, this is youth soccer, not the EPL. 90% of travel soccer players will not play beyond HS anyways. There's something to be said about having a good group of parents and player loyalty. Unless the coaches pay is based on wins and losses . . . who cares.

              There could be many reasons. Maybe there aren't that many players coming in to create another team or fill all the spots if a team suffers a lot of losses. There are plenty of mercenary families who move from club to club for greener pastures or when they believe a better opportunity exists. Those players will end up leaving a team high and dry in the long run.

              Keeping a core of players who know each other and developed together may not work at the highest levels of soccer but it's more than adequate for youth sports and likely preferable to the worthless dynamic you normally find in travel soccer.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                You are complaining about a non-ECNL team???

                Guys, this is youth soccer, not the EPL. 90% of travel soccer players will not play beyond HS anyways. There's something to be said about having a good group of parents and player loyalty. Unless the coaches pay is based on wins and losses . . . who cares.

                There could be many reasons. Maybe there aren't that many players coming in to create another team or fill all the spots if a team suffers a lot of losses. There are plenty of mercenary families who move from club to club for greener pastures or when they believe a better opportunity exists. Those players will end up leaving a team high and dry in the long run.

                Keeping a core of players who know each other and developed together may not work at the highest levels of soccer but it's more than adequate for youth sports and likely preferable to the worthless dynamic you normally find in travel soccer.

                Look Coach, if winning not important why play competitive sports. The whole point of competing is to win. You keep the growth, development, it's all about having fun, just do your best, we will do better next time stuff to yourself. We pay good money, we want our kids to improve and win.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I agree and appreciate that at least some people have the right perspective on this. It is mostly about fun and fitness for your kids. Keep them busy and out of trouble and tell them do get As in school. Enjoy the ride, it will be over too soon
                  I agree it should be fun. I also don't see how losing 8 out of 10 is fun, ever. If you are losing that much some kids and maybe the coach need to go if they don't develop. This is supposed to be competitive. The kids that work hard don't respect the kids that don't. The parents of the kids that work hard don't respect the kids or the parents who have kids that are lazy. They may be great people but they're in the wrong place. I can handle kids that are not as technically talented but are fit and work hard but if your kids is lazy or out of shape, make no mistake, I want you off the team.

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                    #24
                    OP here. This is not a rec team but a boys ECNL team which has had several coaches throughout the years, not just one. The nearest MLS team to us is realisticly too far from us to travel to on a regular basis with traffic. So, our options are to stay in a fairly stagnant situation and hope the team attracts some new talent. Or to look to at some of the local club teams, there are a few within reach that seem to do well but they will not have the exposure of ECNL. It is a bit strange our team has not consolidated more of the nearby talent in the area. Seems crazy to switch from an ECNL team, even a bad one, to club but am considering anything at this point.

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