Buyer Beware of For-Profit Soccer Providers

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What happened to Spartans?

Next Questions?

What happened to Barcelona?

What happened to GPS?

What happened to ADF?

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Next Questions?

What happened to Barcelona?

What happened to GPS?

What happened to ADF?

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Doubt GPS will be going anywhere.. looks to be a mega octopus club thats spreading its tentacles across the US. ADF is a wildcard. Barcelona?

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Zero agenda - they owe OYSA (and I've heard Peregrine) $$$ and our not in good standing until it is fixed.

Prevents their players from transferring out of the club until after state cup (which seems incredibly unfair).

Players can transfer any time they want as long as previous club releases them. Must transfer to new club by certain cutoff dates to be eligible to play in State Cup, etc for new club.

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Players can transfer any time they want as long as previous club releases them. Must transfer to new club by certain cutoff dates to be eligible to play in State Cup, etc for new club.

Almost correct, but players cannot transfer if the transferring club is not in good standing. Think the rule was set-up to maximize state's chance of getting paid.

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NSC is a small classic club located in Aloha, founded by one Nic Heffernan, a HS coach and trainer from across the pond. (They also have a branch in Billings, MT). They've been around for about three years, and have fielded competitive teams at a few age groups, but are small (many of their teams are combined-age). Given that the large number of larger more established classic clubs in the neighborhood, I'm not sure what their value proposition is.

Their website is here: http://www.nscsoccer.com

I didn't write this article, and I have no idea whether they are either in financial trouble, or in bad standing with OYSA. (Why would they owe money to Peregrine? Peregrine acts as OYSA's subcontractor; clubs all deal with OYSA for league and cups, not with the Timbers/Thorns directly).

All moneys for league and state cup fees are paid directly to Peregrine LLC, not OYSA.

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Isn't NSC folding into Westside?

Didn't they come from Westside.

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Doubt GPS will be going anywhere.. looks to be a mega octopus club thats spreading its tentacles across the US. ADF is a wildcard. Barcelona?

TFA Barcelona folded in Oregon.

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So, according to a friend of my DS, according to her, Nic disappeared and may have cleaned out what little money they had.

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Most clubs are for profit entities so it's difficult to avoid. And just because a club is set up as a non profit that doesn't mean they are magnanimous. Owners generally will still take their large cuts and operate just like a for profit club. Being a non profit just affords them certain financial and tax benefits. They're all still business in the end. Do your homework to find the ones with good coaching who actually give two shi*ts about their players and families. There aren't many ,but they do exist. Short of finding that then pick the one with the least # of warts.

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Most clubs are for profit entities so it's difficult to avoid. And just because a club is set up as a non profit that doesn't mean they are magnanimous. Owners generally will still take their large cuts and operate just like a for profit club. Being a non profit just affords them certain financial and tax benefits. They're all still business in the end. Do your homework to find the ones with good coaching who actually give two shi*ts about their players and families. There aren't many ,but they do exist. Short of finding that then pick the one with the least # of warts.

Being non-profit or for-profit is a business distinction created by the IRS, with a non profit serving a mission, the major difference between a profit and nonprofit business deals with the treatment of the profits. With a for-profit business, the owners and shareholders generally receive the profits. With a nonprofit, any money that's left after the organization has paid its bills is put back into the organization. Keep in mind that nonprofits are generally organized to provide some benefit to the public.

In exchange for working for the public good and governing themselves according to certain rules designed to ensure accountability, nonprofit corporations receive exemptions from state and federal taxes they would otherwise be required to pay.

State laws require nonprofit corporations to establish certain organizational structures. A nonprofit corporation must have a board of directors (sometimes called a board of trustees), which is responsible for keeping the organization on track, working toward its stated mission. Other state rules impose legal duties on the board -- for example, the duty to act with care and the duty to be loyal to the organization -- and ensure that the board does not stand to gain personally from the nonprofit's activities.

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I wonder how many non-profit soccer clubs have parents on the board?

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Most clubs are for profit entities so it's difficult to avoid. And just because a club is set up as a non profit that doesn't mean they are magnanimous. Owners generally will still take their large cuts and operate just like a for profit club. Being a non profit just affords them certain financial and tax benefits. They're all still business in the end. Do your homework to find the ones with good coaching who actually give two shi*ts about their players and families. There aren't many ,but they do exist. Short of finding that then pick the one with the least # of warts.

This 100%. Show me a non-profit soccer club out there who does anything other than collect checks from families with a mission to teach soccer.. what else are they doing? What club is providing the most scholarships for families that cannot afford to pay? How are they giving back to the community?

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Most clubs are for profit entities so it's difficult to avoid. And just because a club is set up as a non profit that doesn't mean they are magnanimous. Owners generally will still take their large cuts and operate just like a for profit club. Being a non profit just affords them certain financial and tax benefits. They're all still business in the end. Do your homework to find the ones with good coaching who actually give two shi*ts about their players and families. There aren't many ,but they do exist. Short of finding that then pick the one with the least # of warts.

Nonprofits, by definition, do not have "owners".

Granted, some of them might have some guy on top who collects an above-market salary for what s/he does (there's a reason nonprofits are required to disclose their top salaries), and may have outside influence on the board (if it's a self-perpetuating board, you might have rotten governance continuing for a very long time). If you think a non-profit is acting in an illegal fashion, the IRS would love to know.

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Nonprofits, by definition, do not have "owners".

Granted, some of them might have some guy on top who collects an above-market salary for what s/he does (there's a reason nonprofits are required to disclose their top salaries), and may have outside influence on the board (if it's a self-perpetuating board, you might have rotten governance continuing for a very long time). If you think a non-profit is acting in an illegal fashion, the IRS would love to know.

You say potato, I say potaatoe. Non profit clubs are set up for a reason. Few have a charitable mission. Many don't go this route because of the extra scrutiny, legal and accounting work required. 990 forms are also available to the public and most owners would prefer to keep all info hidden

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This 100%. Show me a non-profit soccer club out there who does anything other than collect checks from families with a mission to teach soccer.. what else are they doing? What club is providing the most scholarships for families that cannot afford to pay? How are they giving back to the community?

Likely the same one who has one of the lowest-paid DOCs out there, despite being one of the most successful over the years?