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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    This sounds well informed and reasonable. Do you mind sharing whether your daughter was ECNL or whether this process works for kids who aren't quite ECNL caliber?
    On the girls side all of the d1s are done before the window for official visits opens up. They use official visits to get the recruits to the school to bond with the team. I suppose they may invite a non scholarship walk on candidate for an official visit but even those are typically set by then.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Let's do this then. D3 is where the bottom of the club team's bench goes so Mommy and Daddy can save face with all of the parents of D1 bound kids on the team. It lets them tell everyone that their kid is playing college soccer but are really in it for the education though so they chose D3. Truth is their kids aren't very good soccer players and there were no D1 offers so D3 was the only place they could go that would let them wear a soccer uniform. The sad part is how those parents let that need for their kid to wear a soccer uniform dictate their college choices and then have such a need to bash the crap out of perfectly fine D1 institutions to justify where they ended up. That's why this thread will inevitably end up with a whole bunch of Sacred Heart vs Williams type scenarios thrown about so that crowd can elevate their kids by scoffing at the real college soccer players. If you want your kid to play a sport in college suggest that they try Rugby. The whole scene is a heck of a lot more fun than soccer without all of the false pretense.

      you're joking right?!

      "The sad part is how those parents let that need for their kid to wear a soccer uniform dictate their college choices and then have such a need to bash the crap out of perfectly fine D1 institutions to justify where they ended up."

      this describes everyone desperate for a D1 scholarship after doling out $40-50k in club soccer over the years that they send their kid to ANY D1 program just to get some sort of athletic scholarship. They end up playing on a mediocre team, get some financial compensation and get a crapy education with a diploma that carries no weight in the real world. I'll take the "demotion" to D3, where your kid can play decent soccer (way better than low level D1) AND get a legit college experience and education..... and when it's all over, they will be the ones employed. But, hey, congrats, your kid played D1! and saved you a few bucks! honestly the worst decision of your (and their) lives ...... you both just don't know it yet.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        you're joking right?!

        "The sad part is how those parents let that need for their kid to wear a soccer uniform dictate their college choices and then have such a need to bash the crap out of perfectly fine D1 institutions to justify where they ended up."

        this describes everyone desperate for a D1 scholarship after doling out $40-50k in club soccer over the years that they send their kid to ANY D1 program just to get some sort of athletic scholarship. They end up playing on a mediocre team, get some financial compensation and get a crapy education with a diploma that carries no weight in the real world. I'll take the "demotion" to D3, where your kid can play decent soccer (way better than low level D1) AND get a legit college experience and education..... and when it's all over, they will be the ones employed. But, hey, congrats, your kid played D1! and saved you a few bucks! honestly the worst decision of your (and their) lives ...... you both just don't know it yet.
        Thank you oh wise one for sharing your wisdom with those of us who are too stupid to see.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          you're joking right?!

          "The sad part is how those parents let that need for their kid to wear a soccer uniform dictate their college choices and then have such a need to bash the crap out of perfectly fine D1 institutions to justify where they ended up."

          this describes everyone desperate for a D1 scholarship after doling out $40-50k in club soccer over the years that they send their kid to ANY D1 program just to get some sort of athletic scholarship. They end up playing on a mediocre team, get some financial compensation and get a crapy education with a diploma that carries no weight in the real world. I'll take the "demotion" to D3, where your kid can play decent soccer (way better than low level D1) AND get a legit college experience and education..... and when it's all over, they will be the ones employed. But, hey, congrats, your kid played D1! and saved you a few bucks! honestly the worst decision of your (and their) lives ...... you both just don't know it yet.
          "Way better than low level D1".....here we go again. Total nonsense but let's keep repeating the lie. Makes it easier if you repeat it enough.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            you're joking right?!

            "The sad part is how those parents let that need for their kid to wear a soccer uniform dictate their college choices and then have such a need to bash the crap out of perfectly fine D1 institutions to justify where they ended up."

            this describes everyone desperate for a D1 scholarship after doling out $40-50k in club soccer over the years that they send their kid to ANY D1 program just to get some sort of athletic scholarship. They end up playing on a mediocre team, get some financial compensation and get a crapy education with a diploma that carries no weight in the real world. I'll take the "demotion" to D3, where your kid can play decent soccer (way better than low level D1) AND get a legit college experience and education..... and when it's all over, they will be the ones employed. But, hey, congrats, your kid played D1! and saved you a few bucks! honestly the worst decision of your (and their) lives ...... you both just don't know it yet.
            You don't have any clue whatsoever on how the world works do you?

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              You don't have any clue whatsoever on how the world works do you?

              Why don't you enlighten me? I can assure you that you are the clueless one, but I'll be wiling to listen to your retort.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The amusing part is it doesn't even take that long or that much work to do a "normal" college search and you have to know that all these machinations are simply because that is what the D1 crowd has to do to chase a scholarship. These parents think that they are influencing the admissions process with all of process but with D3 either the grades are good enough to get your kid into the school or they are not, the soccer has virtually no impact with admissions what so ever. All your child really has to do is figure out which school they want to attend and then after they have narrowed things down to their short list, approach the soccer coach about trying out in the fall. If the coach says no, that should be it because your kid is really making their choice based upon the quality of the education. That's IF all of this is really about the quality of the education. The truth is though you have face savers like the prior poster who want to turn a mole hill into a mountain by turning a normal college search into a D1 scholarship chase. All you can do is just laugh at them.
                If D3 charged a fee to play, I wonder how much they could get? $3,000 a kid?

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  If D3 charged a fee to play, I wonder how much they could get? $3,000 a kid?
                  The average D1 soccer scholarship on the women's side is roughly 50% (though more is very common). With to cost of college now running over $60,000 a year, that scholarship, even if it is from some low level D1 program like Quinnipiac it represents a significant financial incentive that has the potential to change not only the athlete's financial future but also those of their siblings. Most parents end up asking the very pragmatic question .. how much is that D3 education really worth .. and realizing that even that athletic scholarship to the lowest level D1 soccer school (but relative academic level) is a much smarter deal. The reality isn't the much maligned Sacred Heart v Williams scenario, its more like Davidson v Barnard, or Bucknell v Barnard where the academic profiles are much much closer so the scholarship makes the decision a now brainer.

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                    #24
                    Sorry meant Davidson v Middlebury and Bucknell vs Barnard

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The average D1 soccer scholarship on the women's side is roughly 50% (though more is very common). With to cost of college now running over $60,000 a year, that scholarship, even if it is from some low level D1 program like Quinnipiac it represents a significant financial incentive that has the potential to change not only the athlete's financial future but also those of their siblings. Most parents end up asking the very pragmatic question .. how much is that D3 education really worth .. and realizing that even that athletic scholarship to the lowest level D1 soccer school (but relative academic level) is a much smarter deal. The reality isn't the much maligned Sacred Heart v Williams scenario, its more like Davidson v Barnard, or Bucknell v Barnard where the academic profiles are much much closer so the scholarship makes the decision a now brainer.
                      Very confused and convoluted post. You start out talking about Quinnipiac and Sacred Heart and then move to Davidson and Bucknell. No one is going to disagree that a kid who can play at a D1 that is equivalent or near-equivalent academically 8 or 9 times out of 10 is going to choose the D1. Start making some sense, please.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        The amusing part is it doesn't even take that long or that much work to do a "normal" college search and you have to know that all these machinations are simply because that is what the D1 crowd has to do to chase a scholarship. These parents think that they are influencing the admissions process with all of process but with D3 either the grades are good enough to get your kid into the school or they are not, the soccer has virtually no impact with admissions what so ever. All your child really has to do is figure out which school they want to attend and then after they have narrowed things down to their short list, approach the soccer coach about trying out in the fall. If the coach says no, that should be it because your kid is really making their choice based upon the quality of the education. That's IF all of this is really about the quality of the education. The truth is though you have face savers like the prior poster who want to turn a mole hill into a mountain by turning a normal college search into a D1 scholarship chase. All you can do is just laugh at them.
                        No, that's not it, BTNT. You're a clown, albeit a narcissistic and very enraged clown. If the coach isn't interested then the kid likely moves on to a similar school where the coach IS interested. A kid can look for an academic fit and ALSO WANT TO PLAY SOCCER. You're awfully invested in pushing a paradigm that isn't what people actually do.

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                          #27
                          The other point being missed in these comparisons between what are being termed lower-level D1s is that there are huge differences in their desirability so the more desirable ones may be a lot tougher to get offers at, and that is why you could see some kids getting offers from more undesirable D1s and more attractive D3s.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Very confused and convoluted post. You start out talking about Quinnipiac and Sacred Heart and then move to Davidson and Bucknell. No one is going to disagree that a kid who can play at a D1 that is equivalent or near-equivalent academically 8 or 9 times out of 10 is going to choose the D1. Start making some sense, please.
                            That was the point, see you weren't confused. The thing that gets lost in Perspective's constant onslaught is the kid who is thinking about a school like Williams doesn't even know what state Sacred Heart is in but they do know where West Point or Annapolis are. They do know where Holy Cross, Lafayette, or Lehigh is and just as you say most will make the decision to choose one of them or another comparable D1 if they get offered a scholarship. The truth of the matter is though, the average soccer player isn't really looking at these sorts of schools because they just don't have the grades to get into them and so what they are really looking at are places like Wheaton and Wooster and comparing them against places like Quinnipiac and Bryant and most decisions will still favor the D1 schools because of the scholarship money.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              The other point being missed in these comparisons between what are being termed lower-level D1s is that there are huge differences in their desirability so the more desirable ones may be a lot tougher to get offers at, and that is why you could see some kids getting offers from more undesirable D1s and more attractive D3s.
                              Really?

                              Davidson RPI - 225 - Forbes - 31
                              West Point RPI - 239 - Forbes - 11
                              Yale RPI - 240 - Forbes - 5
                              Holy Cross RPI - 260 - Forbes - 55
                              Villanova RPI - 269 - Forbes - 72

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                                #30
                                Perspective is actually BTDT's oldest daughter. She is still angry with him about the college decisions he forced down her throat.

                                God forbid that BTDT would actually spend a dollar of his own money educating one of his daughters.

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