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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    No. The coaches in England get paid - they get paid by the clubs who get paid when the clubs sell the players.

    Can't happen here because it is illegal for kids to be tied to clubs in a way that clubs can profit.
    Exactly.

    Ajax (Holland) another example of a club more wealthy from selling on talent out of their Academy than from receipts from their pro team -

    Also correct it cannot be done here - clearly we need a different model, it's just not going to get European here. I don't think the current pay-to-play system is the way to go either, and I don't think that USSF's attempts to reform it - 10 month DAP - is a huge improvement, except as compared to ODP/ID2....

    Something quite different IS needed but the European model isn't it either...

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Exactly.

      Ajax (Holland) another example of a club more wealthy from selling on talent out of their Academy than from receipts from their pro team -

      Also correct it cannot be done here - clearly we need a different model, it's just not going to get European here. I don't think the current pay-to-play system is the way to go either, and I don't think that USSF's attempts to reform it - 10 month DAP - is a huge improvement, except as compared to ODP/ID2....

      Something quite different IS needed but the European model isn't it either...
      Well said.

      USSF is lowering the ages of "national ID"/Academy with their U12 affiliates program.

      Academies are now hosting separate U13 and U14 teams starting 2016-17. Some MLS will credit "feeder" clubs on their websites for recognition. Kudos to them.

      Clubs need to use this credit as enticement for branding and pride. In essence, the B and below teams pay for the club. Elite / A team players are often scholarship, or should be. Currently clubs cater to the wealthiest and offer Elite positions in exchange for the necessary funding (and significant additional contributions to the bottom line) to keep them going strong.

      Somewhere in that equation has to be the answer (without selling kids to Academies or pros to the mLs or going to europe? )

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Well said.

        USSF is lowering the ages of "national ID"/Academy with their U12 affiliates program.

        Academies are now hosting separate U13 and U14 teams starting 2016-17. Some MLS will credit "feeder" clubs on their websites for recognition. Kudos to them.

        Clubs need to use this credit as enticement for branding and pride. In essence, the B and below teams pay for the club. Elite / A team players are often scholarship, or should be. Currently clubs cater to the wealthiest and offer Elite positions in exchange for the necessary funding (and significant additional contributions to the bottom line) to keep them going strong.

        Somewhere in that equation has to be the answer (without selling kids to Academies or pros to the mLs or going to europe? )
        Heard the MLS training around here is not worth a darn anyway.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Heard the MLS training around here is not worth a darn anyway.
          Sounds like GPS BUT THEIR KIDS PAY 4K

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Exactly.

            Ajax (Holland) another example of a club more wealthy from selling on talent out of their Academy than from receipts from their pro team -

            Also correct it cannot be done here - clearly we need a different model, it's just not going to get European here. I don't think the current pay-to-play system is the way to go either, and I don't think that USSF's attempts to reform it - 10 month DAP - is a huge improvement, except as compared to ODP/ID2....

            Something quite different IS needed but the European model isn't it either...
            No we never can replicate Europe. Beyond the owning-the-player issue, in Europe virtually any quasi decent sized city has it's own local pro team (even if low level) with a fan base, sponsorships and fan-wear sales, then you move up to the bigger cities with big name clubs and academies. Here you pretty much have MLS in a handful of cities. That's it. And MLS teams don't bring in nearly the $ that even many midlevel European teams do, let alone the top 10. So without the geography or financial support there has to be a different path - but clearly pay-to-play isn't ideal either

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              No we never can replicate Europe. Beyond the owning-the-player issue, in Europe virtually any quasi decent sized city has it's own local pro team (even if low level) with a fan base, sponsorships and fan-wear sales, then you move up to the bigger cities with big name clubs and academies. Here you pretty much have MLS in a handful of cities. That's it. And MLS teams don't bring in nearly the $ that even many midlevel European teams do, let alone the top 10. So without the geography or financial support there has to be a different path - but clearly pay-to-play isn't ideal either

              just play for fun and enjoy it. it is a game and entertainment after all.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                just play for fun and enjoy it. it is a game and entertainment after all.
                I know, the NFL, NHL and MLB take all the fun out of their sport!

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I know, the NFL, NHL and MLB take all the fun out of their sport!
                  gps having lots of fun

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I know, the NFL, NHL and MLB take all the fun out of their sport!
                    Are there a bunch of loser adults on some forum somewhere yammering on about youth football and youth hockey and youth base ball?

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Are there a bunch of loser adults on some forum somewhere yammering on about youth football and youth hockey and youth base ball?
                      Of course there are.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Of course there are.
                        darn that I did not get in to youth sports biz earlier.

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                          #27
                          USA youth club compensation. Solidarity payments

                          It's already in the courts.


                          http://www.socceramerica.com/article...-a-lawyer.html

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                            #28
                            http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015...edlin-fifa-drc

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Because, in spite of all the whining about the bad economy, the middle-class and upper-middle class have enough discretionary income to spend on their kids. They also like to see their kids doing something besides hanging out playing video games and smoking weed. If the kids and the parents are happy, who cares.

                              That said, the downside to this model is that there is probably considerable talent that is not getting a shot at high-level soccer, because their families cannot afford the freight.
                              Enough with the urban myth of massive hidden soccer talent among marginalized inner city kids in the Boston area. Look at the demographics and countries of origin. Dominicans do not play soccer and the Central American countries like El Salvadoran, Guatemalan and Honduran immigrants have been too busy working multiple jobs to make ends meet to even have introduced their offspring to the sport, never mind playing it. Brazilians play yes, and their kids are playing here at some level and at a high frequency. The 2nd generation Portuguese kids don't care enough about it.

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                                #30
                                why is USA only country kids have to pay so much money to play - close to free in other countries - why are we paying all this money here


                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Because, in spite of all the whining about the bad economy, the middle-class and upper-middle class have enough discretionary income to spend on their kids. They also like to see their kids doing something besides hanging out playing video games and smoking weed. If the kids and the parents are happy, who cares.

                                That said, the downside to this model is that there is probably considerable talent that is not getting a shot at high-level soccer, because their families cannot afford the freight.

                                1. Why do you think that soccer should be different than any other sport in this country? The US certainly excels at many other sports. Perhaps soccer is just not as popular in this country as these other, more financially sound, entities.
                                2. Don't you get tired of these race statements? All economic backgrounds seem to have plenty of access to basketball, football, and baseball, the latter two requiring far more equipment and resources than B-Ball and soccer......yet still all economic levels show up to play, and, I would venture to guess, that the professional money is spread out fairly wide among all backgrounds..........actually, I would go further to say that the middle and upper economic classes, that you seem to blame for all calamities, are underrepresented in these sports. Are you going to complain about that??? ....or is this a Chris Rock phenomenon thing??
                                3. Your statements that the 'middle and upper class' are sitting around 'playing video games and smoking week' is no better than any other type of racist comments or actions that you complain about. Fact is, the parents of these 'middle and upper class' are far more involved in their kids lives and seem to be more invested in them and have expectations about what they should be doing now and in the future. Is is possible that if the parents (or parent....or even local community) were far more involved and invested in their youths that things would be better? Do you really think that it requires the effort of everyone else to bring these kids to the ball fields? At what point do you demand that people get off their ass and seek out opportunity.........that......by the way..........is present and available all other the state in the form of 'too many' clubs.

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