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Its a challenge and a major commitment for the commuters of either city. But you can also add kids from Cortland, Ithaca, Utica and the greater Adirondack region. But to be fair the same challenges occurs at any other DA team within the system as they pull talent from their surrounding region. The ideal solution would be to have a resedential system at the DA level. Some MLS clubs already do this Philadephia Union and Salt Lake City. If they could implement this at some point in the future it would ease with transportation challenges and talent identification, but how will non MLS teams support such and endevour without proper funding and/or a dedicated school for the kids to attend? There is a movement from the MLS clubs to have residency programs in the near future as we try to establish a system similar to Europe. Keep in mind that most European Clubs spend about 600 to 780 hrs of training per year. We are about half the way there, which explains at times why we are not as successful at the world cup stage. The positive we continue to move in the right direction.
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My daughters DA team has played EU twice now, and they have improved from the first encounter, which is great for them. However, can someone at EU please send the videos of the games from Saturday??????
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Its a challenge and a major commitment for the commuters of either city. ........The ideal solution would be to have a resedential system at the DA level. .....
Wouldn't the ideal solution be that each major city has one single DA team, so that the "excessive travel" is not such a problem?
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Wouldn't the ideal solution be that each major city has one single DA team, so that the "excessive travel" is not such a problem?
No. I think you have to be a realist about the players technical and tactical ability within each city and age group. Its impossible for each city in Upstate to generate the same player pool as NY city or Philadelphia etc... Example Orlando City gets about 1200 kids for any given tryouts at the 02 age group. We may get maybe 40 to 50 per city. So Orlando will have a much higher probability to select 20 A+ players for their DA team in the 01/02 group. We may get 5 per city per team. How will we compete with teams that just have frankly more talent and a larger pool. That is the reality at this level of soccer and to add everyone to the league will not help develop solid good players vs cities that frankly dwarf us in numbers. It is the same in Europe as players are from all over the map. Again the fault with us soccer "no residency program allowing players to reside and train cost free." Clubs and coaches would freely select the best player if it did not affect the bottom line. MLS clubs are starting to do this.

How will having 3 DA teams help Upstate NY in terms of soccer? Other than line the wallets of a club with additional monies and give them the me too argument. We have plenty of those right now in the Thruway league, Regional league from us youth soccer and us club soccer. Plenty of clubs competing, but look at their results year over year and we dont always land in the finals. You can see the same performance result after each state cup final. Win here loose at Regionals or Nationals. I may not agree with everything, but the Empire United Academy may be the best way for WNY kids to play at a level beyond their individual comfort zone. The crappy part yes you will have to travel.
Hey its better than traveling 4 to 5hrs to another DA.
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My daughters DA team has played EU twice now, and they have improved from the first encounter, which is great for them. However, can someone at EU please send the videos of the games from Saturday??????
If you tell me the age and team and date. I can send a text to one of the coaches I know.
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If you tell me the age and team and date. I can send a text to one of the coaches I know.
The NYCFC game 01/02, from Saturday, Oct 28th. Thank you, Sir!
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Lets talk WNY soccer.

Within Buffalo soccer, there are multiple high level soccer clubs: GPS, Empire Buffalo, WNY Flash, Buffalo Soccer Academy (BSA). There are also a number of travel level clubs which could be strong (Amherst, Delaware, Niagara Pioneer, Lancaster).

Within Rochester and Syracuse, its the same story. Multiple elite clubs and multiple "strong travel clubs". Rochester Futbol Club, Empire Rochester, DMS, Chili, SDA, United Soccer Alliance, etc.

Why is it that Empire United is the only USSDA team within the whole area?

Doesn't it seem like Buffalo (and Rochester, and Syracuse) are capable of putting together a "best of city" team to play in the USSDA league?

I'm not sure that the current Empire team which takes players from all areas is actually stronger than a "best of buffalo team" or "best of Rochester team", given that the travel involved must keep some kids out. I also think that the various elite clubs within each city get slightly diluted of talent when some of the best go to play for empire. So, we are left with a good but not perfect product in Empire, and we are left with a bunch of elite clubs which are not great.

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Empire united was the king. It had a decent model, start kids playing local and then unite kids at an older age. Only one hour travel from Syracuse and buffalo to Rochester, so not a huge commitment in this day and age. They had some good coaching. Problem was internal strife. Then some parents got pissed and everything went south. Syracuse broke off and sda took off. Parents were so angry, some players drove from Rochester to either sda of bsa in buffalo rather than stay at empire. Empire didnít get ecnl at first either. Kids would play on the pa ecnl team and travel on weekends rather than stay at empire. They had plenty of fields and indoor training turf and even local pro teams to tie into.

They just couldnít keep thier sheet together....shame.
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Honestly, that isn't even news, it happens at almost every competitive travel club. Parents simply refuse to accept the notion of being 2nd class subscribers. EU is no different than clubs down my way like NYSC, Albertson, World Class, and yes even the evil PDA. Sad, but such is life...was before...is now...and forever shall be...Amen.
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No. I think you have to be a realist about the players technical and tactical ability within each city and age group. Its impossible for each city in Upstate to generate the same player pool as NY city or Philadelphia etc... Example Orlando City gets about 1200 kids for any given tryouts at the 02 age group. We may get maybe 40 to 50 per city. So Orlando will have a much higher probability to select 20 A+ players for their DA team in the 01/02 group. We may get 5 per city per team. How will we compete with teams that just have frankly more talent and a larger pool. That is the reality at this level of soccer and to add everyone to the league will not help develop solid good players vs cities that frankly dwarf us in numbers. It is the same in Europe as players are from all over the map. Again the fault with us soccer "no residency program allowing players to reside and train cost free." Clubs and coaches would freely select the best player if it did not affect the bottom line. MLS clubs are starting to do this.

How will having 3 DA teams help Upstate NY in terms of soccer? Other than line the wallets of a club with additional monies and give them the me too argument. We have plenty of those right now in the Thruway league, Regional league from us youth soccer and us club soccer. Plenty of clubs competing, but look at their results year over year and we dont always land in the finals. You can see the same performance result after each state cup final. Win here loose at Regionals or Nationals. I may not agree with everything, but the Empire United Academy may be the best way for WNY kids to play at a level beyond their individual comfort zone. The crappy part yes you will have to travel.
Hey its better than traveling 4 to 5hrs to another DA.
Again my 2 cents.
Having a large population as a pre-requisite makes sense. Lets review to compare the populations involved: Lets take Buffalo and Rochester. Each city metro area has a population of about 1.1 million. Lets compare that to the DA teams in the Great Lakes Region
* Cincinnati United Premier: Services Cincinnati, metro population 2.1 million.
* Crew SC Academy: Services Columbus, metro population 2.0 million.
* Crew SC Academy Wolves: Services Detroit, metro population 4.3 million.
* Fort Wayne United FC: Services Fort Wayne, metro population 0.4 million.
* Indiana Fire Academy: Services Indianapolis, metro population 2.0 million.
* Internationals: Services Cleveland, metro population 2.0 million.
* Vardar: Services Detroit (2nd Detroit team), metro population 4.3 million.
** Summary: 2 million per team, except for the Fort Wayne outlier.

Compare to the DA teams in Carolina Region:
* Carolina Rapids: Services north Charlotte, metro population 2.5 million.
* Charlotte Soccer Academy: Services SE Charlotte (2nd Charlotte team), metro poulation 2.5 million.
* Charlotte Soccer Academy North: Appears to be u12 only. Services north Charlotte (3rd Charlotte team), metro poulation 2.5 million.
* Discoveries Soccer Club: Appears to be u12 only. Services south Charlotte (4th Charlotte team kind of) and very north Columbia SC, metro population ???
* ISL FC: Services Charlotte (5th Charlotte team), metro population 2.5 million.
* North Carolina FC Youth: Services Raleigh, metro population 2.0 million.
* North Carolina FC Youth Del Sol: u12 only. Services Raleigh
* North Carolina FC Youth South: Services Raleigh, metro population 2.0 million.
* North Carolina Fusion: Services Greensboro, metro population 1.6 million.
** Summary: 3 all-age Charlotte teams plus 2 u12 teams. So the population per team is 500k (using 5 teams) or 850k (using 3 teams). The 2-3 Raleigh teams are between 700k (using 3 teams) to 1 million (using 2 teams).

Compare to the teams in Florida North:
* Armada FC Pro Academy: Services Jacksonville, metro pop 1.6m.
* Chargers SC: Services Tampa, metro pop 3.0m.
* Florida Rush Soccer Club: Services Orlando, metro pop 2.4m.
* IMG Academy: Services Tampa (2nd team), metro pop 3.0m.
* Orlando City SC: Services Orlando (2nd team), metro pop 2.4m.
* Players Club of Tampa Bay: Services Tampa (3rd team), metro pop 3.0m.
* TBU Rowdies: Services Tampa (4th team), metro pop 3.0m.
** Summary: Tampa teams are at 1million per team. Orlando teams are at 1.2m per team. Jacksonville at 1.6m per team.

So, in summary, if Buffalo and Rochester each had a single DA team, that would be reasonable.
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Having a large population as a pre-requisite makes sense. Lets review to compare the populations involved: Lets take Buffalo and Rochester. Each city metro area has a population of about 1.1 million. Lets compare that to the DA teams in the Great Lakes Region
* Cincinnati United Premier: Services Cincinnati, metro population 2.1 million.
* Crew SC Academy: Services Columbus, metro population 2.0 million.
* Crew SC Academy Wolves: Services Detroit, metro population 4.3 million.
* Fort Wayne United FC: Services Fort Wayne, metro population 0.4 million.
* Indiana Fire Academy: Services Indianapolis, metro population 2.0 million.
* Internationals: Services Cleveland, metro population 2.0 million.
* Vardar: Services Detroit (2nd Detroit team), metro population 4.3 million.
** Summary: 2 million per team, except for the Fort Wayne outlier.

Compare to the DA teams in Carolina Region:
* Carolina Rapids: Services north Charlotte, metro population 2.5 million.
* Charlotte Soccer Academy: Services SE Charlotte (2nd Charlotte team), metro poulation 2.5 million.
* Charlotte Soccer Academy North: Appears to be u12 only. Services north Charlotte (3rd Charlotte team), metro poulation 2.5 million.
* Discoveries Soccer Club: Appears to be u12 only. Services south Charlotte (4th Charlotte team kind of) and very north Columbia SC, metro population ???
* ISL FC: Services Charlotte (5th Charlotte team), metro population 2.5 million.
* North Carolina FC Youth: Services Raleigh, metro population 2.0 million.
* North Carolina FC Youth Del Sol: u12 only. Services Raleigh
* North Carolina FC Youth South: Services Raleigh, metro population 2.0 million.
* North Carolina Fusion: Services Greensboro, metro population 1.6 million.
** Summary: 3 all-age Charlotte teams plus 2 u12 teams. So the population per team is 500k (using 5 teams) or 850k (using 3 teams). The 2-3 Raleigh teams are between 700k (using 3 teams) to 1 million (using 2 teams).

Compare to the teams in Florida North:
* Armada FC Pro Academy: Services Jacksonville, metro pop 1.6m.
* Chargers SC: Services Tampa, metro pop 3.0m.
* Florida Rush Soccer Club: Services Orlando, metro pop 2.4m.
* IMG Academy: Services Tampa (2nd team), metro pop 3.0m.
* Orlando City SC: Services Orlando (2nd team), metro pop 2.4m.
* Players Club of Tampa Bay: Services Tampa (3rd team), metro pop 3.0m.
* TBU Rowdies: Services Tampa (4th team), metro pop 3.0m.
** Summary: Tampa teams are at 1million per team. Orlando teams are at 1.2m per team. Jacksonville at 1.6m per team.

So, in summary, if Buffalo and Rochester each had a single DA team, that would be reasonable.
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