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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    BU17: Oregon 7, S. Nevada 0
    BU17: Oregon 2, Arizona 0
    BU17: Oregon 3, Cal North 0. Advances to semis vs Utah

    BU16: Utah 1, Oregon 0
    BU16: Oregon 6, S. Nevada 1
    BU16: Group play finished, consolation game today vs Idaho

    BU15: Oregon 3, E. Washington 0
    BU15: Oregon 3, Cal North 3
    BU15: Oregon 4, S. Nevada 1
    BU15: Group play finished, advances to semis vs Cal South.
    BU15 semis: Oregon 2 (7) Cal South 2 (6), Oregon to final vs Arizona

    BU14: Cal North 4, Oregon 2
    BU14: N. Nevada 1, Oregon 0. Consolation vs Idaho.

    BU13: Oregon 1, Utah 1
    BU13: Oregon 6, Alaska 0
    BU13: Oregon 6, Idaho 0. Semifinals vs Arizona
    BU13 semis: Arizona 2, Oregon 1.

    BU12: Washington 4, Oregon 2
    BU12: Hawaii 6, Oregon 3
    BU12: Oregon 3, New Mexico 2. One more group stage game vs N. Nevada

    GU17: Colorado 2, Oregon 0
    GU17: Washington 3, Oregon 0
    GU17: Oregon 3, New Mexico 0. Consolation vs Cal North

    GU16: No Oregon team

    GU15: S. Nevada 3, Oregon 0
    GU15: Utah 9, Oregon 1
    GU15: Oregon 2, Arizona 0. Consolation vs New Mexico.


    GU14: Colorado 3, Oregon 0
    GU14: E. Washington 2, Oregon 1. Consolation vs Cal North.

    GU13: Oregon 1, Cal North 1
    GU13: Oregon 8, E. Washington 0
    GU13: Oregon 9, Montana 0. Advance to semis vs Cal South
    GU13 semis: Cal South 5, Oregon 0

    GU12: Washington 9, Oregon 0
    GU12: Hawaii 2, Oregon 1
    GU12: Colorado 7, Oregon 1. One more group game vs N. Nevada.
    GU12 group play: N Nevada 6, Oregon 5
    Sunday evening full update:

    BU17: Semis: Oregon 1 (4), Utah 1 (1). Advance to finals vs Cal South
    BU16: Consolation: Oregon 3, Idaho 2.
    BU14: Consolation: Oregon 4, Idaho 3
    BU12: Oregon 2, N. Nevada 1
    GU17: Consolation: Cal North 4, Oregon 2.
    GU15: Consolation: Oregon 1, New Mexico 0
    GU14: Consolation: Cal North 1, Oregon 0

    Other than our two finalists (BU17 and BU15), Oregon teams are done.

    Records so far (elimination matches that go to a shootout are treated as ties):

    BU17: 3-1-0, 13GF, 1GA, +12GD. Finalist
    BU16: 2-0-1, 10GF, 3GA, +7GD.
    BU15: 2-2-0, 12GF, 6GA, +6GD. Finalist
    BU14: 1-0-2. 6GF, 8GA, -2GD.
    BU13: 2-1-1. 14GF, 3GA. Semifinalist
    BU12: 2-0-2. 10GF, 13GA, -3GD.

    GU17: 1-0-3. 5GF, 9GA, -4GD
    GU15: 2-0-2. 4GF, 12GA, -8GD
    GU14: 0-0-3. 1GF, 6GA, -5GD.
    GU13: 2-1-1, 18GF, 5GA, +12GD, semifinalist
    GU12: 0-0-4. 7GF, 24GA, -17GD.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Depends on what you mean by "Thorns advertising". If the ODP coaching staff are badmouthing club teams (either the club scene in general, or specific clubs), that's inappropriate. If encouragement for girls to try out for Thorns--especially blanket encouragements, rather than identification and recruiting of specific players, that arguably crosses the line.

      OTOH, simply informing the girls of the opportunities available, and the extent to which good performance in ODP might help them join Thorns should they be interested... that's fine. Sometimes it feels like a few local youth clubs consider themselves to be the peers of the Timbers and Thorns in youth soccer, and resent the notion that subsidized training and such just might mean the pro academy teams sit atop the local youth soccer pyramid.

      Somehow, I can't imagine a youth-only club in England or Spain or Germany taking the position that having one of their players move to the academies of Man City or Real Madrid or Bayern Munich, constitutes "poaching", or that there's anything unfair or unethical about pro teams offering spots to players from smaller clubs. Only in America would a neighborhood nonprofit take such a blinkered view of its roster--viewing its players as assets that need protecting so the club can win a state cup or ECNL regional, rather than putting the development of the player first.

      It's especially laughable, as another poster notes, when such whining comes from the ECNL clubs, who are some of the most aggressive recruiters of talent in the local soccer scene; whose entire shtick is trying to convince girls that they and they alone provide the best opportunity for a D1 scholly. Who tell everyone and their dog that OYSA teams are all "rec", and that failure to secure a spot on an ECNL roster will identify a player as second-rate.

      As obnoxious as Peregrine can sometimes be, I'll say it again. Seeing the local ECNL clubs being hoist on their own petard; watching them receive the same disregard that they have long heaped out to the Alliance clubs and the independents both, and hearing them piss and moan about how unfair it is that the Thorns are going after their players (and using platforms like ODP to do so), makes me happy inside. Every time an ECNL troll complains in TS, on angel gets its wings.

      Hucking fypocrites, the lot of them.
      ODP is an OYSA program; OYSA only members are clubs. ODP is not the Timbers play thing. Not sure why that is such a hard concept to figure out.

      Timbers routinely abuse it.

      Not just ECNL clubs are irritated by this.

      The analogies to Europe/England are awful - until we have a solidarity system (which regulates how wealthy clubs interact with less wealthy ones when it comes to promising youth players) we are dealing with totally different realities. The little clubs in Europe don't complain because they get paid when one of their players moves to a big fish.

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        #33
        Congrats to both teams in finals:

        2002 Roster Blair Bowen Massimo Oedekoven Caleb Kiner Ian Cameron Jacob Wharthen Ryan Pearson Edson Jimenez Andre Labate Nicholas Kimmi Chris Lambert Julien Buist-Thuiller Bereket Getachew Alexis Luna Mohamed Mohamed Rasheed Tarhuni Nicholas Lattal Westin Carter Aaron Rudder

        Head Coach: Cony Konstin Assistant Coach: Biniam Afenegus Assistant Coach: Stevie Evans GK Coach: Jimmi Ulloa


        2004 Roster Gabe Stevens Milo Risenhoover Carter Bass Anthony Godinez Jonathan Plaat Jonathan Segal Alex Grignon Cole Hexum Oliver Stone Alex Webster Zac Walker Carter Keyes Quentin Strange Kevin Miranda MizaelHarris Victor Ambard AlenVejo Henry Yode

        Head Coach: Brandon McNeil Assistant Coach: Nelson Larson Assistant Coach: AvneetShergill GK Coach: yulloa78@gmail.com

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Congrats to both teams in finals:

          2002 Roster Blair Bowen Massimo Oedekoven Caleb Kiner Ian Cameron Jacob Wharthen Ryan Pearson Edson Jimenez Andre Labate Nicholas Kimmi Chris Lambert Julien Buist-Thuiller Bereket Getachew Alexis Luna Mohamed Mohamed Rasheed Tarhuni Nicholas Lattal Westin Carter Aaron Rudder

          Head Coach: Cony Konstin Assistant Coach: Biniam Afenegus Assistant Coach: Stevie Evans GK Coach: Jimmi Ulloa


          2004 Roster Gabe Stevens Milo Risenhoover Carter Bass Anthony Godinez Jonathan Plaat Jonathan Segal Alex Grignon Cole Hexum Oliver Stone Alex Webster Zac Walker Carter Keyes Quentin Strange Kevin Miranda MizaelHarris Victor Ambard AlenVejo Henry Yode

          Head Coach: Brandon McNeil Assistant Coach: Nelson Larson Assistant Coach: AvneetShergill GK Coach: Jimmi Ulloa
          Pasted weird and took off email addresses.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Congrats to both teams in finals:

            2002 Roster Blair Bowen Massimo Oedekoven Caleb Kiner Ian Cameron Jacob Wharthen Ryan Pearson Edson Jimenez Andre Labate Nicholas Kimmi Chris Lambert Julien Buist-Thuiller Bereket Getachew Alexis Luna Mohamed Mohamed Rasheed Tarhuni Nicholas Lattal Westin Carter Aaron Rudder

            Head Coach: Cony Konstin Assistant Coach: Biniam Afenegus Assistant Coach: Stevie Evans GK Coach: Jimmi Ulloa


            2004 Roster Gabe Stevens Milo Risenhoover Carter Bass Anthony Godinez Jonathan Plaat Jonathan Segal Alex Grignon Cole Hexum Oliver Stone Alex Webster Zac Walker Carter Keyes Quentin Strange Kevin Miranda MizaelHarris Victor Ambard AlenVejo Henry Yode

            Head Coach: Brandon McNeil Assistant Coach: Nelson Larson Assistant Coach: AvneetShergill GK Coach: yulloa78@gmail.com
            The OYSA state cup is a more competitive event than this watered down non-starter. ODP has become the new ECNL. Which is truly a shame for a once relevant program nationwide.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              The OYSA state cup is a more competitive event than this watered down non-starter. ODP has become the new ECNL. Which is truly a shame for a once relevant program nationwide.
              You are ill - go for a walk.

              "Glass is always 1/2 empty" is as inaccurate as "the glass is always half full".

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                You are ill - go for a walk.

                "Glass is always 1/2 empty" is as inaccurate as "the glass is always half full".
                Like sands through the hour glass, so are the days of our ODP”

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Depends on what you mean by "Thorns advertising". If the ODP coaching staff are badmouthing club teams (either the club scene in general, or specific clubs), that's inappropriate. If encouragement for girls to try out for Thorns--especially blanket encouragements, rather than identification and recruiting of specific players, that arguably crosses the line.

                  OTOH, simply informing the girls of the opportunities available, and the extent to which good performance in ODP might help them join Thorns should they be interested... that's fine. Sometimes it feels like a few local youth clubs consider themselves to be the peers of the Timbers and Thorns in youth soccer, and resent the notion that subsidized training and such just might mean the pro academy teams sit atop the local youth soccer pyramid.

                  Somehow, I can't imagine a youth-only club in England or Spain or Germany taking the position that having one of their players move to the academies of Man City or Real Madrid or Bayern Munich, constitutes "poaching", or that there's anything unfair or unethical about pro teams offering spots to players from smaller clubs. Only in America would a neighborhood nonprofit take such a blinkered view of its roster--viewing its players as assets that need protecting so the club can win a state cup or ECNL regional, rather than putting the development of the player first.

                  It's especially laughable, as another poster notes, when such whining comes from the ECNL clubs, who are some of the most aggressive recruiters of talent in the local soccer scene; whose entire shtick is trying to convince girls that they and they alone provide the best opportunity for a D1 scholly. Who tell everyone and their dog that OYSA teams are all "rec", and that failure to secure a spot on an ECNL roster will identify a player as second-rate.

                  As obnoxious as Peregrine can sometimes be, I'll say it again. Seeing the local ECNL clubs being hoist on their own petard; watching them receive the same disregard that they have long heaped out to the Alliance clubs and the independents both, and hearing them piss and moan about how unfair it is that the Thorns are going after their players (and using platforms like ODP to do so), makes me happy inside. Every time an ECNL troll complains in TS, on angel gets its wings.

                  Hucking fypocrites, the lot of them.
                  If you had a kid doing ODP the last few years, you’d know how they crossed the line. Spending a good 15-30 minutes of each training session (when some people drove hours to get there) telling the entire pool (not individually identified kids) they should try out for Thorns and it was the only path for advancement.

                  Comparing GDA with European academies is laughable. “Subsidized” Thorns GDA costs over $3000 this year. GDA programs in other parts of the country are not subsidized at all and cost as much as the overpriced ECNL programs.

                  Telling every kid on a 25-30 player roster to leave her expensive club team and go to a nearly equally expensive academy program is not remotely like a European club identifying an individual talented youth player and inviting him to join a free academy. Surely you see that?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    ODP is an OYSA program; OYSA only members are clubs. ODP is not the Timbers play thing. Not sure why that is such a hard concept to figure out.

                    Timbers routinely abuse it.
                    In what way? Should Timbers be banned from recruiting at ODP events?

                    LOTS of clubs recruit at ODP events; it's one of the most popular forums for player "theft" (but see below). You probably have to worry more about Coach Nigel from FC DownTheStreet trying to sweet-talk your teammates' parents ("I think your son has a lot of talent, and notice he spends a lot of time on the bench...") than you do about the Timbers or Thorns.


                    The analogies to Europe/England are awful - until we have a solidarity system (which regulates how wealthy clubs interact with less wealthy ones when it comes to promising youth players) we are dealing with totally different realities. The little clubs in Europe don't complain because they get paid when one of their players moves to a big fish.
                    I think a solidarity system would be an excellent idea--with a few caveats below. But I also think you misunderstand how it works. If a player from a local youth club gets noticed by the ManU academy--his old club doesn't get anything IIRC until that player turns pro. Only players who become professional get solidarity payments; the twenty kids that ManU might "poach" that are later dropped, don't produce so much as a shilling for the old club. (And if ManU drops a player who is then signed by, say, MK Dons; the Dons then owe Manchester a solidarity payment, as well as the youth club).

                    Now, the big caveat is--how does this interact with pay-to-play? Should clubs be able to collect full fees from parents, PLUS a solidarity payment for the rare kid who comes out of this sausage factory with a deal? Should only clubs which subsidize players be eligible? Should a "dual-option" be offered (full fee and no solidarity claim vs reduced-fee but solidarity)? And if so, must it be offered to all (including the unathletic kid with skills on the Mundial team who knows how to play the game and wants a better game than he can find in rec, but everyone knows lacks the pace and stamina to play in even the top levels of youth soccer, let alone to think about a college or pro career)?

                    Speaking as a parent, I tend to resent the idea that the club that I pay money to "owns" my kid, or that me choosing a different club (whether recruited or not) constitutes "poaching" or "theft". Until you sign him to a contract, he (and I) are your customers, not your employees. Some clubs act as though their coaches' training time imparts a moral obligation (to club, to teammates, whatever) above and beyond the financial obligations that families have to clubs. It certainly sucks if your kid's highly-talented teammate leaves, and the team that made it to the State Cup semis last year now has to drop down a division this year because the kid who scored all the goals left.

                    But this is how it works in much of the world, folks. Youth soccer can be equally cutthroat abroad, and is often not mitigated some of the "fair play" ethics that are mandatory in rec, and often cited as guidelines even in classic soccer. Player poaching happens all the time, and many places have "youth pyramids" in place that are far stricter and more zealously regulated than the divisional structure of OYSA, which tends to operate mainly on the honor system (and the sorting in OYSA doesn't occur until AFTER teams are formed).

                    Bottom line: Quit whining about the Timbers or Thorns "stealing" your players. Unless you have them under contract and are paying them $$$, they aren't yours to keep. And especially quit whining if you're one of the power clubs out there--none of you (FC, Crossfire, the TA teams, ADF, UPDX, etc.) aren't above using ODP events to try and upgrade your rosters.

                    Let sauce for the goose be sauce for the gander.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      In what way? Should Timbers be banned from recruiting at ODP events? LOTS of clubs recruit at ODP events; it's one of the most popular forums for player "theft" (but see below). You probably have to worry more about Coach Nigel from FC DownTheStreet trying to sweet-talk your teammates' parents ("I think your son has a lot of talent, and notice he spends a lot of time on the bench...") than you do about the Timbers or Thorns.I think a solidarity system would be an excellent idea--with a few caveats below. But I also think you misunderstand how it works. If a player from a local youth club gets noticed by the ManU academy--his old club doesn't get anything IIRC until that player turns pro. Only players who become professional get solidarity payments; the twenty kids that ManU might "poach" that are later dropped, don't produce so much as a shilling for the old club. (And if ManU drops a player who is then signed by, say, MK Dons; the Dons then owe Manchester a solidarity payment, as well as the youth club).
                      Now, the big caveat is--how does this interact with pay-to-play? Should clubs be able to collect full fees from parents, PLUS a solidarity payment for the rare kid who comes out of this sausage factory with a deal? Should only clubs which subsidize players be eligible? Should a "dual-option" be offered (full fee and no solidarity claim vs reduced-fee but solidarity)? And if so, must it be offered to all (including the unathletic kid with skills on the Mundial team who knows how to play the game and wants a better game than he can find in rec, but everyone knows lacks the pace and stamina to play in even the top levels of youth soccer, let alone to think about a college or pro career)?Speaking as a parent, I tend to resent the idea that the club that I pay money to "owns" my kid, or that me choosing a different club (whether recruited or not) constitutes "poaching" or "theft". Until you sign him to a contract, he (and I) are your customers, not your employees. Some clubs act as though their coaches' training time imparts a moral obligation (to club, to teammates, whatever) above and beyond the financial obligations that families have to clubs. It certainly sucks if your kid's highly-talented teammate leaves, and the team that made it to the State Cup semis last year now has to drop down a division this year because the kid who scored all the goals left. But this is how it works in much of the world, folks. Youth soccer can be equally cutthroat abroad, and is often not mitigated some of the "fair play" ethics that are mandatory in rec, and often cited as guidelines even in classic soccer. Player poaching happens all the time, and many places have "youth pyramids" in place that are far stricter and more zealously regulated than the divisional structure of OYSA, which tends to operate mainly on the honor system (and the sorting in OYSA doesn't occur until AFTER teams are formed). Bottom line: Quit whining about the Timbers or Thorns "stealing" your players. Unless you have them under contract and are paying them $$$, they aren't yours to keep. And especially quit whining if you're one of the power clubs out there--none of you (FC, Crossfire, the TA teams, ADF, UPDX, etc.) aren't above using ODP events to try and upgrade your rosters. Let sauce for the goose be sauce for the gander.
                      Let's help frame this for the novice or delusional neighborhood club coach/parent. The MLS is the top professional (Male) Soccer League in the states, Portland Timbers have a franchise in said League. NWSL is the top professional (Female) Soccer League in the States and arguably the World. Portland Thorns have a club in said League (the Flagship Club of the world's best female league).

                      Both of our Pro teams have an extensive Development Academy platform for elite youth players. As such they attract & recruit the best of the best from our backwater state whenever they can + domestic and foriegn born youth as well. This practice is part of their 'business operational structure' and while it impacts some local non profit neighborhood clubs player pools they operate at different tier and with different objectives then the local neighborhood clubs.

                      Oregon has only one Youth Power Club (Timbers/Thorns) a monopoly without a peer unless you go north to the Seattle Sounders.

                      Quasi organized youth club soccer in Oregon is based on a membership/participant model dictated by local geography with neighborhood/classmates having a platform to compete, since the local schools don't field teams at elementary & Jr. High (middle). At the HS ages an argument could be made that a few clubs throw out a bigger net across the area and compete with a collection of the more talented kids, those big dogs at the HS ages are truly magnet clubs for the better HS aged players. But your talking about 2 or 3 clubs that fill that space for decades.

                      I ask this in all seriousness, what kind of 'power' do any of these neighborhood clubs actually have? The power to collect fees and pay wages for their staff?

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Let's help frame this for the novice or delusional neighborhood club coach/parent. The MLS is the top professional (Male) Soccer League in the states, Portland Timbers have a franchise in said League. NWSL is the top professional (Female) Soccer League in the States and arguably the World. Portland Thorns have a club in said League (the Flagship Club of the world's best female league).

                        Both of our Pro teams have an extensive Development Academy platform for elite youth players. As such they attract & recruit the best of the best from our backwater state whenever they can + domestic and foriegn born youth as well. This practice is part of their 'business operational structure' and while it impacts some local non profit neighborhood clubs player pools they operate at different tier and with different objectives then the local neighborhood clubs.

                        Oregon has only one Youth Power Club (Timbers/Thorns) a monopoly without a peer unless you go north to the Seattle Sounders.

                        Quasi organized youth club soccer in Oregon is based on a membership/participant model dictated by local geography with neighborhood/classmates having a platform to compete, since the local schools don't field teams at elementary & Jr. High (middle). At the HS ages an argument could be made that a few clubs throw out a bigger net across the area and compete with a collection of the more talented kids, those big dogs at the HS ages are truly magnet clubs for the better HS aged players. But your talking about 2 or 3 clubs that fill that space for decades.

                        I ask this in all seriousness, what kind of 'power' do any of these neighborhood clubs actually have? The power to collect fees and pay wages for their staff?
                        Not the OP. I support the Timbers and GDA but see one power the neighborhood clubs have is
                        attracting the majority of the top girls to stay and play at their neighborhood club despite being recruited by the subsidized gda. Or some try it, start and play all game for the Academy but then leave to go back to their neighborhood club. As you correctly stated, the Thorns GDA hold all the power so it is even more shocking that they haven’t attracted the majority of the top talent. Thorns senior team is one of the best and most popular NWSL teams but, sadly, the Thorns GDA teams are almost all near the bottom. It is better for all Oregon girls if our “top” teams do well so I hope Thorns gda, the ecnl teams and all the top oysa travel teams can do well and that all Oregon girls, regardless of league, can develop further and become the best players they can. Bottom line is, the individual girls hold all the power and they can play wherever they want. Everyone’s path is different but I am happy our Oregon girls have gda & ecnl and oysa paths to choose from.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          In what way? Should Timbers be banned from recruiting at ODP events?

                          LOTS of clubs recruit at ODP events; it's one of the most popular forums for player "theft" (but see below). You probably have to worry more about Coach Nigel from FC DownTheStreet trying to sweet-talk your teammates' parents ("I think your son has a lot of talent, and notice he spends a lot of time on the bench...") than you do about the Timbers or Thorns.




                          I think a solidarity system would be an excellent idea--with a few caveats below. But I also think you misunderstand how it works. If a player from a local youth club gets noticed by the ManU academy--his old club doesn't get anything IIRC until that player turns pro. Only players who become professional get solidarity payments; the twenty kids that ManU might "poach" that are later dropped, don't produce so much as a shilling for the old club. (And if ManU drops a player who is then signed by, say, MK Dons; the Dons then owe Manchester a solidarity payment, as well as the youth club).

                          Now, the big caveat is--how does this interact with pay-to-play? Should clubs be able to collect full fees from parents, PLUS a solidarity payment for the rare kid who comes out of this sausage factory with a deal? Should only clubs which subsidize players be eligible? Should a "dual-option" be offered (full fee and no solidarity claim vs reduced-fee but solidarity)? And if so, must it be offered to all (including the unathletic kid with skills on the Mundial team who knows how to play the game and wants a better game than he can find in rec, but everyone knows lacks the pace and stamina to play in even the top levels of youth soccer, let alone to think about a college or pro career)?

                          ******

                          But this is how it works in much of the world, folks. Youth soccer can be equally cutthroat abroad, and is often not mitigated some of the "fair play" ethics that are mandatory in rec, and often cited as guidelines even in classic soccer. Player poaching happens all the time, and many places have "youth pyramids" in place that are far stricter and more zealously regulated than the divisional structure of OYSA, which tends to operate mainly on the honor system (and the sorting in OYSA doesn't occur until AFTER teams are formed).

                          Bottom line: Quit whining about the Timbers or Thorns "stealing" your players. Unless you have them under contract and are paying them $$$, they aren't yours to keep. And especially quit whining if you're one of the power clubs out there--none of you (FC, Crossfire, the TA teams, ADF, UPDX, etc.) aren't above using ODP events to try and upgrade your rosters.

                          Let sauce for the goose be sauce for the gander.
                          No coach/administrator should use to ODP to recruit players for their club; period. Not Timbers/Thorns, not Washington Timbers, not Westside, not UPDX.

                          You are misinformed (or more precisely overly generalizing) how it works in the rest of the world. In some instances, a child moves from a small club to a pro academy, there is a solidarity payment at that time (Di Maria was famously sold for a bag of balls); in other instances it occurs at the time/if they turn pro.

                          No whining about Timbers/Thorns trying to find the best talent. Just don't use OYSA for it and don't demonizing clubs trying to build something outside of that and asking their governing body to not work against them.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            No coach/administrator should use to ODP to recruit players for their club; period. Not Timbers/Thorns, not Washington Timbers, not Westside, not UPDX.You are misinformed (or more precisely overly generalizing) how it works in the rest of the world. In some instances, a child moves from a small club to a pro academy, there is a solidarity payment at that time (Di Maria was famously sold for a bag of balls); in other instances it occurs at the time/if they turn pro.No whining about Timbers/Thorns trying to find the best talent. Just don't use OYSA for it and don't demonizing clubs trying to build something outside of that and asking their governing body to not work against them.
                            So you're saying don't tell the HS/MS local Hockey player (local soccer club player) that the level of coaching and competition in the NHL youth league (MLS/NSWL Academy) is actually a huge step up.

                            Since there is no need to state the obvious to the uninformed. Got it.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              So you're saying don't tell the HS/MS local Hockey player (local soccer club player) that the level of coaching and competition in the NHL youth league (MLS/NSWL Academy) is actually a huge step up.

                              Since there is no need to state the obvious to the uninformed. Got it.
                              Sorry bro, you sold out

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                So you're saying don't tell the HS/MS local Hockey player (local soccer club player) that the level of coaching and competition in the NHL youth league (MLS/NSWL Academy) is actually a huge step up.

                                Since there is no need to state the obvious to the uninformed. Got it.
                                Ah, NHL teams don't have youth academies. Nor do NFL, NBA, or MLB, at least not in this country (what some of their scouts do in other countries is a different story).

                                Another horrible analogy.

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