Not enough tried out for Thorns to post U15/U17 selections???

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When did right or wrong ever come into play with the reality of the way things are.

The "way things are" in youth soccer is the product of what people have done and not done; so it has quite a bit to do with right and wrong.

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That is a lot of smoke and mirrors; lets keep it real simple: get rid of the Timbers contract with OYSA and there is no complaint. Otherwise set up a Chinese wall between those that run the timbers academy (girls and boys) and leagues/cups.

Every wonder why few clubs have issues with Larry Sunderland, but have major problems with Erik L and Mike S? Larry gets it is in his best interest to work with local clubs; Mike and Erik offer no accountability to clubs (despite the fact clubs are customers), spam our families, attempt to poach players through RTC/ODP (for programs that compete directly with OYSA club programs).

It is a perverse setup.

Timbers Academy is competing with OYSA clubs? And "poaching" their players? What rot.

That's like saying that El Gaucho is in competition with McDonalds, because they are both in the business of selling beef--and that if someone is enticed to come in and enjoy a perfectly-done prime rib, they are somehow stealing from Ronald the clown.

I know, certain clubs seem to have delusions of grandeur that they occupy the same level of the pyramid as a subsidized MLS academy, but get real. Even if one accepts that TA is, compared to some its peers (NYRB, LAFC, FC Dallas, RSL) a poorly-run academy, it's still an MLS academy. To suggest that TA is a "peer" of local clubs that is engaging in wrongdoing when it recruits their top players, is utter nonsense.

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Timbers Academy is competing with OYSA clubs? And "poaching" their players? What rot.

That's like saying that El Gaucho is in competition with McDonalds, because they are both in the business of selling beef--and that if someone is enticed to come in and enjoy a perfectly-done prime rib, they are somehow stealing from Ronald the clown.

I know, certain clubs seem to have delusions of grandeur that they occupy the same level of the pyramid as a subsidized MLS academy, but get real. Even if one accepts that TA is, compared to some its peers (NYRB, LAFC, FC Dallas, RSL) a poorly-run academy, it's still an MLS academy. To suggest that TA is a "peer" of local clubs that is engaging in wrongdoing when it recruits their top players, is utter nonsense.

Sense of autonomy is not same as false sense of grandeur.

Expecting vendors not to screw you over should not be too much to ask.

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Sense of autonomy is not same as false sense of grandeur.

Expecting vendors not to screw you over should not be too much to ask.

Only a coach/official who cares more about himself than his players would equate "pro team (who happens to be contracted to run youth leagues by the state association) offering my club's kids spots in their academy" with "vendor poaching players and screwing me over".

Obviously, your club (or perhaps just you, if this is a parent and not a coach) cares more about winning cups in whatever league you play in and engaging in chest thumping--"we're the PEERS of the Timbers Academy, and they're taking unfair advantage of us! whine whine whine!" than you do about developing your players. You should be CELEBRATING the kids from your club that make it to TA, not viewing them as an unscrupulous competitor pilfering "your" talent.

But you resent so much the notion that you're not at the apex of the local soccer pyramid, that you try and piss uphill. Guess what happens when you piss uphill.

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Only a coach/official who cares more about himself than his players would equate "pro team (who happens to be contracted to run youth leagues by the state association) offering my club's kids spots in their academy" with "vendor poaching players and screwing me over".

Obviously, your club (or perhaps just you, if this is a parent and not a coach) cares more about winning cups in whatever league you play in and engaging in chest thumping--"we're the PEERS of the Timbers Academy, and they're taking unfair advantage of us! whine whine whine!" than you do about developing your players. You should be CELEBRATING the kids from your club that make it to TA, not viewing them as an unscrupulous competitor pilfering "your" talent.

But you resent so much the notion that you're not at the apex of the local soccer pyramid, that you try and piss uphill. Guess what happens when you piss uphill.

LOL contract - you mean the one OYSA's president characterizes as "signed with a gun to our head" (Gavin being the one holding the gun)?

If you think this about winning and losing, you are missing the point.

Non-profits as a puppet of a for profit entity is wrong. Disparaging adults who speak up about is pretty bad too.

This criticism has nothing to do with local clubs trying to be a peer of the Timbers' Academy; it has everything to do with consumers of OYSA objecting to their state organization serving a for profit entity and not their members. Lesser extent it has to do with (ex) Timber fans disgust with the way Timbers operate in kiddy soccer.

For the record, we do celebrate of one of neighborhood kids makes the Timbers' Academy. Does mean we don't look at the whole OYSA/Timbers thing with disgust.

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Thornz don't even need to hold tryouts this year. No one is bothering with Thornz any more so they can save the time and money trying to organize a tryout. They'll just adopt some local rec team from PYSA and give them Thornz jerseys. And they'll likely be more competitive that what Thornz have developed over the last four years.

Maybe if they lower the ridiculous tryout fee it might help get a few more kids out? Maybe off free spots to some third division teams?

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LOL contract - you mean the one OYSA's president characterizes as "signed with a gun to our head" (Gavin being the one holding the gun)?

If you think this about winning and losing, you are missing the point.

Non-profits as a puppet of a for profit entity is wrong. Disparaging adults who speak up about is pretty bad too.

This criticism has nothing to do with local clubs trying to be a peer of the Timbers' Academy; it has everything to do with consumers of OYSA objecting to their state organization serving a for profit entity and not their members. Lesser extent it has to do with (ex) Timber fans disgust with the way Timbers operate in kiddy soccer.

For the record, we do celebrate of one of neighborhood kids makes the Timbers' Academy. Does mean we don't look at the whole OYSA/Timbers thing with disgust.

Yes, Peregrine has a sweet lease arrangement for the use of the ole civic stadium and just the first year of Tax Breaks given to them by the City of Portland with new expansion of the facility is worth more than 100 years of profit for running OYSA leagues/cups & RTC's.

OYSA leagues and Cup are quite dull enterprises that amount to the mundane tasks of creating schedules and assigning referees. They (Peregrine) have not corrupted the process of producing a schedule, assigning refs and handing out ribbons. Nor have the improved the process with innovation and excitement (nor could they). Scheduling Software and little to no actual soccer knowledge is needed to complete these tasks. So on that front it's a strange marriage: Peregrine & admin of leagues/cup.

The RTC/ODP program is the same dumpster fire it's been for the better part of the last 10 years moving headquarters from Western Ave in Beaverton to Morrison Street in Portland is all that's really changed. MS & EL are not able to attract flies to coach and have even more difficulty attracting the areas youth top talent, even with direct linkage to the Timbers & Thorns DA. Any MLS or NWSL Academy bonafide talent doesn't need to sign up for RTC/ODP they will be found without having to join this marginalized platform.

So why does (Peregrine) want to run the OYSA? It's simple it's about having Control and an in your face data breach of 70K OYSA members personal info (see spam) to market and solicit any Peregrine enterprise from NWSL games to kiddie camps. The cyber Russian hacks would be proud of what GW pulled off, and he did all above board. Which is truly a remarkable feat. Without any concern for ethics or morals, "the end justifies the means".

Bitching about it is pointless, what's done is done. GW doesn't care if you think it's wrong.

The services provided by OYSA in 2018 are as worthless and hollow as they were Pre-Peregrine takeover, buddy it's the same OYSA flunkies (MS & EL) in charge today , who ran the admin Sh!% show in 2008 from Western Ave.

In closing if your 'disgust' had any traction or groundswell of support maybe you could reduce the waiting list for Timbers season tickets from 40K to 35K?

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Yes, Peregrine has a sweet lease arrangement for the use of the ole civic stadium and just the first year of Tax Breaks given to them by the City of Portland with new expansion of the facility is worth more than 100 years of profit for running OYSA leagues/cups & RTC's.

OYSA leagues and Cup are quite dull enterprises that amount to the mundane tasks of creating schedules and assigning referees. They (Peregrine) have not corrupted the process of producing a schedule, assigning refs and handing out ribbons. Nor have the improved the process with innovation and excitement (nor could they). Scheduling Software and little to no actual soccer knowledge is needed to complete these tasks. So on that front it's a strange marriage: Peregrine & admin of leagues/cup.

The RTC/ODP program is the same dumpster fire it's been for the better part of the last 10 years moving headquarters from Western Ave in Beaverton to Morrison Street in Portland is all that's really changed. MS & EL are not able to attract flies to coach and have even more difficulty attracting the areas youth top talent, even with direct linkage to the Timbers & Thorns DA. Any MLS or NWSL Academy bonafide talent doesn't need to sign up for RTC/ODP they will be found without having to join this marginalized platform.

So why does (Peregrine) want to run the OYSA? It's simple it's about having Control and an in your face data breach of 70K OYSA members personal info (see spam) to market and solicit any Peregrine enterprise from NWSL games to kiddie camps. The cyber Russian hacks would be proud of what GW pulled off, and he did all above board. Which is truly a remarkable feat. Without any concern for ethics or morals, "the end justifies the means".

Bitching about it is pointless, what's done is done. GW doesn't care if you think it's wrong.

The services provided by OYSA in 2018 are as worthless and hollow as they were Pre-Peregrine takeover, buddy it's the same OYSA flunkies (MS & EL) in charge today , who ran the admin Sh!% show in 2008 from Western Ave.

In closing if your 'disgust' had any traction or groundswell of support maybe you could reduce the waiting list for Timbers season tickets from 40K to 35K?

I don't care what gw, mg or mp think. What is right is right.

Wish I could still cheer for the timbers, but I can't.

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Maybe if they lower the ridiculous tryout fee it might help get a few more kids out? Maybe off free spots to some third division teams?

I wonder if they are going to lower it? The website says “minimal tryout fee”.

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It’s a sad day for Thornz 03s when they get taken out 0-3 by the benchwarmers and a bunch of 04/05 players from San Jose. It’s looking like as many as eight players have quit that team? Are any of the original 1-11 left???

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It’s a sad day for Thornz 03s when they get taken out 0-3 by the benchwarmers and a bunch of 04/05 players from San Jose. It’s looking like as many as eight players have quit that team? Are any of the original 1-11 left???

It’s classless to bash on other Oregon teams when they play out of state. Every Oregon team besides maybe gps and maybe CU ecnl would be similarly crushed by the earthquakes DA. How about we support our fellow Oregon teams!

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Thornz Asylum 01/02 sure got slaughtered today. Guess that's what Timbers call "development"

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It’s classless to bash on other Oregon teams when they play out of state. Every Oregon team besides maybe gps and maybe CU ecnl would be similarly crushed by the earthquakes DA. How about we support our fellow Oregon teams!

There's about a half dozen coaches around here with the same thoughts:

1) Oregon could field a great team if we just could get all the talent on one team.
2) It should be MY team and I should be the coach.
3) Therefore, any time a competing team loses, I'll tear them down, regardless of whether I'd do any better against the same opponent with my current squad.

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Thornz Asylum 01/02 sure got slaughtered today. Guess that's what Timbers call "development"

I repeat: it’s classless to bash on other Oregon teams when they play out of state. Any other Oregon (or SW Wash) team would’ve been beaten at least as badly by the Earthquakes GDA u16/17 team. Conversely, the u19/18 Thorns Academy won big. What this shows us is that other top Oregon u19 would’ve done well vs them too. The advent of GDA & ECNL didn’t change our Oregon talent pool nor did it change our coaching pool. It rearranged the same talent and same coaches we’ve always had. The same thing happened in every other state. NorCal top clubs & players mostly stayed ECNL, with the exception of most top players who played for coach Deza at DeAnza Force ECNL following him to Earthquakes GDA. Sorry but our Oregon girls would be crushed by them no matter which patch we or they are wearing.

Instead of bashing Oregon teams & Oregon girls, we need to be focusing on what needs to change to develop ALL our girls better so they can ALL compete at least a little better against California players. All this petty jealousy and anger simply hurts ALL of our girls. I agree that the ECNL & GDA also need to stop acting so holier than thou as well and understand that their attitude invites the bashing but please rise above. Two wrongs don’t make a right and we desperately need more rights in Oregon soccer for ALL the girls.

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Maybe if they lower the ridiculous tryout fee it might help get a few more kids out? Maybe off free spots to some third division teams?

US Soccer DA rules prohibit a try out fee if I’m reading them right.