Academic tip for D3 recruiting?

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D3 athletics are mediocre .Great students good athletes

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D3 athletics are mediocre .Great students good athletes

D3 is not D1 in athletics. But the top D3 athletes are often as good, or better than lower tier D1 athletes.

The division has little to do with the academic quality of the school. there are many D3 colleges of lesser quality. The top universities in the US are mostly D1, with a few D3. The top colleges have a larger proportion of D3, but many are D1.

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Except when you are talking about the stronger academic D3's that is not really all that possible if you actually understand what tips are and how little help they actually give in the admissions process. A prospect has to be solidly within the range of the schools admissions pool for one to even be applicable so it's not really a "reach" situation. A tip will help make up roughly about a .1 on the GPA and 50-75 on the SAT's. That's not really all that big of a concession.

I call BS on the stats used. Perhaps at some NESCAC schools where the Tip process is institutionalized it might be possible to approximate the value of a Tip. But even there it varies among the different schools. Also, keep in mind the difference between a tip and a protect.

No substitute for getting better information that the drivel of an underemployed oaf like BTDT. Rumor has it that he did have to move into his father's house. Who knows, maybe he was broke......

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I call BS on the stats used. Perhaps at some NESCAC schools where the Tip process is institutionalized it might be possible to approximate the value of a Tip. But even there it varies among the different schools. Also, keep in mind the difference between a tip and a protect.

No substitute for getting better information that the drivel of an underemployed oaf like BTDT. Rumor has it that he did have to move into his father's house. Who knows, maybe he was broke......

You just can’t help but wreck this thread can you? Go work out your obsessions somwhere else would you?

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Everybody talks about private liberal arts schools but I don’t want $250,000 in student loans for my daughter. Are there any good public schools for academics and soccer.

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Everybody talks about private liberal arts schools but I don’t want $250,000 in student loans for my daughter. Are there any good public schools for academics and soccer.

Yep, MCLA has great soccer and great academics. Very competitive so consider Westfield St and Green Mountain College as worthy alternatives.

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Everybody talks about private liberal arts schools but I don’t want $250,000 in student loans for my daughter. Are there any good public schools for academics and soccer.

If they're a good student then often times privates will cough up plenty of merit money. Public doesn't always mean substantially cheaper; the one exception is in state tuition at your state universities. But apply to an out of state public and you'll end up paying the nearly the same as a private. There's lots of online resources to help estimate your actual cost and school officials are always willing to talk and discuss your own situation. Don't rule anything out because you never know until a package is offered.

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D3 is not D1 in athletics. But the top D3 athletes are often as good, or better than lower tier D1 athletes.

The division has little to do with the academic quality of the school. there are many D3 colleges of lesser quality. The top universities in the US are mostly D1, with a few D3. The top colleges have a larger proportion of D3, but many are D1.

This has always been the start of all of the D1 vs D3 crap. You have to split the universe into two halves, the men's side and the women's side because of the different scholarship numbers and funding levels between the two genders so there is no universal truth to that statement. On the men's side there are less scholarships available and most of the programs are not fully funded so the universe of male players getting scholarships to play soccer is radically smaller and the amount of money they receive is typically much much lower than the women. On the men's side only the cream of the crop earn any sort of scholarship money where as on the women's side it is possible for even non starters or players from "B" and "C" teams to find to find some scholarship money. That creates two entirely different value decisions because the incentive structures are so different. The reality though is all of the D1 and D2 rosters still need to be filled out so it is entirely probable on the men's side that there is some blurring of the talent lines between the divisions. Suffice to say though that there is usually a fairly large talent gap between the scholarship and non scholarship players on the roster which is one of the reasons why there are so many internationals typically on the men's side. They typically are better players and there is a growing awareness that playing (even if they have to pay for their schooling) in the US may be an alternative path to the pros for them (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/34097904). So the statement about top D3 athletes often being as good, or better than lower tier D1 athletes while technically might be correct doesn't really hold up when you limit that population to the scholarship receiving ones.

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This has always been the start of all of the D1 vs D3 crap. You have to split the universe into two halves, the men's side and the women's side because of the different scholarship numbers and funding levels between the two genders so there is no universal truth to that statement. On the men's side there are less scholarships available and most of the programs are not fully funded so the universe of male players getting scholarships to play soccer is radically smaller and the amount of money they receive is typically much much lower than the women. On the men's side only the cream of the crop earn any sort of scholarship money where as on the women's side it is possible for even non starters or players from "B" and "C" teams to find to find some scholarship money. That creates two entirely different value decisions because the incentive structures are so different. The reality though is all of the D1 and D2 rosters still need to be filled out so it is entirely probable on the men's side that there is some blurring of the talent lines between the divisions. Suffice to say though that there is usually a fairly large talent gap between the scholarship and non scholarship players on the roster which is one of the reasons why there are so many internationals typically on the men's side. They typically are better players and there is a growing awareness that playing (even if they have to pay for their schooling) in the US may be an alternative path to the pros for them (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/34097904). So the statement about top D3 athletes often being as good, or better than lower tier D1 athletes while technically might be correct doesn't really hold up when you limit that population to the scholarship receiving ones.

Wow...and looks who just happens to be posting again, and still worrying about D3.

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Wow...and looks who just happens to be posting again, and still worrying about D3.

Isn't the point valid? Or do you actually believe that there is little difference between a scholarship level athlete and a walk on?

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Isn't the point valid? Or do you actually believe that there is little difference between a scholarship level athlete and a walk on?

Isn't it beyond valid to ask why you are still doing this, and why in the world still fixated about D3 and D3 kids and parents?

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Isn't the point valid? Or do you actually believe that there is little difference between a scholarship level athlete and a walk on?

BTNT, when a few here suggest that there is some overlap for a subset of D3 and low D1, don't you think it is pretty clear that almost everyone knows that in no way translate to a full ride or half ride or a pony ride at your beloved Duke? Why are you so motivated to keep your own fictions projected on to others alive?

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BTNT, when a few here suggest that there is some overlap for a subset of D3 and low D1, don't you think it is pretty clear that almost everyone knows that in no way translate to a full ride or half ride or a pony ride at your beloved Duke? Why are you so motivated to keep your own fictions projected on to others alive?

Your I-see-BTNT echolalia (see what I did there?) is annoying. Let's get it straight: The BTDT-like* posts often data and references to sources. You, thoroughly stumped by his content, are forced to revert to questioning his motivation. Lets face it, You Tsuck at TS, but take solace, your D3 kid was kinda good at soccer.

*many of the posts you claim his are not

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BTNT, when a few here suggest that there is some overlap for a subset of D3 and low D1, don't you think it is pretty clear that almost everyone knows that in no way translate to a full ride or half ride or a pony ride at your beloved Duke? Why are you so motivated to keep your own fictions projected on to others alive?

My guess is you didn’t see the posts about the “DA stud” getting a tip from Midd a couple of days ago. So what then do we call a kid who ends up at a place like Virginia on a scholarship, God?

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Your I-see-BTNT echolalia (see what I did there?) is annoying. Let's get it straight: The BTDT-like* posts often data and references to sources. You, thoroughly stumped by his content, are forced to revert to questioning his motivation. Lets face it, You Tsuck at TS, but take solace, your D3 kid was kinda good at soccer.

*many of the posts you claim his are not

No, he does not in fact cited data or sources. Paul, stop trying to defend yourself, your relentless need to belittle people makes you indefensible. Go away.