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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Seminole Soccer complex in Sanford and Reach 11 in Phoenix are large facilities.
    No one is playing 20 miles away. ECNL-R players (and their parents) will see 100s of coaches in attendance watching games on same fields. 100s of coaches from various levels will attend because a) they can shop players at various tiers and b) they want to see their friends (eg former assistant at Tier 1 is now Head coach at Tier 2).

    100% this is a business decision, and it’s a good one
    It's a business decision but the this is basically the same scenario as when us soccer tried to start a national league. There is a finate number of families that have players with the talent, interest, time and money to fill up a high travel, high cost national league.

    As soon as you try to have two of them, it waters down the entire enterprise as far as level of soccer. It is strictly to try to make money. We have all seen this movie before.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      It's a business decision but the this is basically the same scenario as when us soccer tried to start a national league. There is a finate number of families that have players with the talent, interest, time and money to fill up a high travel, high cost national league.

      As soon as you try to have two of them, it waters down the entire enterprise as far as level of soccer. It is strictly to try to make money. We have all seen this movie before.
      Your logic and_or comprehension seems off
      GDA proved there is plenty of demand for two leagues with national travel
      ECNL-r doesn’t divide or water down it unifies and stratifies into a single platform.

      Of course its to make money no one disagrees with that. It will make money because it’s what the market wants

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        #18
        My logic is sound. The demand is from players that want to pay to travel far and wide to play soccer. Nothing wrong with that but that is who inhabits these leagues. That group intersects with talent group to some extent but not to two big leagues extent. Sorry but we all saw it very recently. But enjoy.

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          #19
          Alright!!!...more travel and more spending!...woo hoo!!!

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            #20
            Stop calling it a regional league if it is not a regional league please.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              My daughters team played a regional team in a tournament and destroyed them. Not buying into this ECNL regional crap.
              Wow, so much information to gain from your chest pounding post!

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                My daughters team played a regional team in a tournament and destroyed them. Not buying into this ECNL regional crap.
                Yes that one experience sure does represent a whole league!

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  My logic is sound. The demand is from players that want to pay to travel far and wide to play soccer. Nothing wrong with that but that is who inhabits these leagues. That group intersects with talent group to some extent but not to two big leagues extent. Sorry but we all saw it very recently. But enjoy.
                  So your point is that demand is there but talent isn't?
                  I agree with that.

                  Isn’t having a second tier in ecnl-r stratifying the talent better than a competing league dividing it? Definitely seems better for college coaches, no? Not sure families will accept Mia classified as 2nd tier, but if college placements are there, all will be well

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    So your point is that demand is there but talent isn't?
                    I agree with that.

                    Isn’t having a second tier in ecnl-r stratifying the talent better than a competing league dividing it? Definitely seems better for college coaches, no? Not sure families will accept Mia classified as 2nd tier, but if college placements are there, all will be well
                    not the poster - I can definitely see the appeal of having ECNL and R at the same events. Literally one stop shopping for programs of all levels. Plus many programs will take a combination of players from both levels since there's strong R players and weaker L players. As has been said many times coaches shop players, not leagues.

                    That said, with R it really depends market to market how strong or weak teams/clubs may be. Can it really become a nationwide B league? Time will tell. If GAL doesn't make it then R could definitely be strengthened.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      So your point is that demand is there but talent isn't?
                      I agree with that.

                      Isn’t having a second tier in ecnl-r stratifying the talent better than a competing league dividing it? Definitely seems better for college coaches, no? Not sure families will accept Mia classified as 2nd tier, but if college placements are there, all will be well
                      It is better for the people making money off of it.

                      And if college coaches cant be bothered to support real lower-income talent from lower-income regional or localized leagues, instead of a mis-named national league, then I guess it it is better for them as well.


                      Is what it is and what it is is business.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        It is better for the people making money off of it.

                        And if college coaches cant be bothered to support real lower-income talent from lower-income regional or localized leagues, instead of a mis-named national league, then I guess it it is better for them as well.


                        Is what it is and what it is is business.
                        Wait, so this has nothing to do with what the market wants or can sustain.
                        This is just you, once again, yelling at clouds about social inequity.

                        How many times do you need us to agree with you that it’s a business, and that it’s a business that caters to the college aspirations of suburban families. See, i just said it again. Happy now?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Wait, so this has nothing to do with what the market wants or can sustain.
                          This is just you, once again, yelling at clouds about social inequity.

                          How many times do you need us to agree with you that it’s a business, and that it’s a business that caters to the college aspirations of suburban families. See, i just said it again. Happy now?
                          What does happy have to do with it? Is this a regional league or national league? Is it for talented competitive players from families that cant do a national league or is it for or kids that can pay to travel around and play soccer?

                          You want to mealy mouth market it as all thigs to all customers but it is what it is. And when the marketing does not match up with the product - people point it out.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            It is better for the people making money off of it.

                            And if college coaches cant be bothered to support real lower-income talent from lower-income regional or localized leagues, instead of a mis-named national league, then I guess it it is better for them as well.


                            Is what it is and what it is is business.
                            What lower income regional leagues? There really aren't any unless you want them to scout high school games? College coaches chose from the talent that's put in front of them and unfortunately the youth soccer system leans very heavy middle to upper income.
                            They want kids who are ready to step onto the field and help them win and that's less likely to come from smaller less competitive leagues. They can't help that clubs don't give loads of scholarships to lower income kids. Add to it that now more than ever coaches have limited travel budgets AND more pressure to take a few extra full pay kids to pad college revenues. It's a crappy situation but college coaches are't going to solve it.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              What lower income regional leagues? There really aren't any unless you want them to scout high school games? College coaches chose from the talent that's put in front of them and unfortunately the youth soccer system leans very heavy middle to upper income.
                              They want kids who are ready to step onto the field and help them win and that's less likely to come from smaller less competitive leagues. They can't help that clubs don't give loads of scholarships to lower income kids. Add to it that now more than ever coaches have limited travel budgets AND more pressure to take a few extra full pay kids to pad college revenues. It's a crappy situation but college coaches are't going to solve it.
                              They are the only ones that can solve it since they are apparently the prize that is driving the bus.

                              Look - they recruit who they recruit. If they really want to seek out the talent that simply cant be found in the current nonsense, it would take time and energy and dedication and for what? A few more wins in a college sport that is not that high profile or a money maker?

                              I see the problem but clearly the solution involves the college coaches if it the scene is ever to change.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                They are the only ones that can solve it since they are apparently the prize that is driving the bus.

                                Look - they recruit who they recruit. If they really want to seek out the talent that simply cant be found in the current nonsense, it would take time and energy and dedication and for what? A few more wins in a college sport that is not that high profile or a money maker?

                                I see the problem but clearly the solution involves the college coaches if it the scene is ever to change.
                                You seem to have this infatuation with talent, and a belief that there is a problem requiring a solution.

                                To the first point, who ever said coaches "really want to seek out talent.. " Even if there is a vein of undiscovered soccer "talent" in the lower socio-economic classes, haven't we heard that soccer requires a high degree of skills refined over years of play? Offering a college coach raw "Talent" is like giving a business man a bale of Egyptian cotton when he need a shirt to wear tonight.

                                Current system is aligned to the goals of it's participants.
                                Suburban families pay to give our kids advantage.
                                Clubs offer services and experiences to those who can afford it
                                Colleges want athletes that are admissible, and able to pay the financial gap

                                So we can get on the same page, can you remind me what problem we are looking to solve?

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