why do Surf and Juventus not play in the proper league

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Got soccer rankings are for GAL/DPL and NPL clubs. Those clubs seem to make the biggest noise about rankings. Just look at SSS. Everything is got soccer rankings over there.

gotsoccer rankings are heavily weighted towards doing well in tournaments, period. You can get thousands of points for a tournament and like hundreds for league season winner. And basically nothing for individual games. the top teams go to more tournaments which serves to stretch out the ranking spreads in their favor. which doesn't necessarily make the rankings wrong, but seems like an odd way of getting there.

youthsoccerrankings.us takes a more reasonable seeming approach. according to them (grain of salt here) they have the same coverage of games but have predictive power off 66% compared to gotsoccer's 32%

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"To predict the goal difference when two teams play each other simply subtract the score of one team from the score of the other. "

Interesting how many teams are separated by tenths of a point, outside the top 5 or so.

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"To predict the goal difference when two teams play each other simply subtract the score of one team from the score of the other. "

Interesting how many teams are separated by tenths of a point, outside the top 5 or so.

"on any given sunday"

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Yeah that’s discussed if you actually look at the website.

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gotsoccer rankings are heavily weighted towards doing well in tournaments, period. You can get thousands of points for a tournament and like hundreds for league season winner. And basically nothing for individual games. the top teams go to more tournaments which serves to stretch out the ranking spreads in their favor. which doesn't necessarily make the rankings wrong, but seems like an odd way of getting there.

youthsoccerrankings.us takes a more reasonable seeming approach. according to them (grain of salt here) they have the same coverage of games but have predictive power off 66% compared to gotsoccer's 32%

yet several Massachusetts teams use the outdated got soccer formula to recruit uneducated parents. Look here our U-11's are ranked 23rd in the entire country...come join us. It's kind of false advertising but it also can be effective. In reality Massachusetts best teams MIGHT be able to beat the 23rd ranked team of say Texas so got soccer points are geared to clubs playing in the right tournaments as well as playing in as many tournaments as possible. VERY easy to manipulate got soccer.

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If we are talking boys, top teams and talent are MLS Next for u13 up and RDL for u12. RDL gotsoccer rankings are garbage as teams have regionalized (our top team "gave" their points to the NEP team in our club that is the clubs 3rd team). Also RDL and MLS U13 U14 don't even record game scores, so no points for league play. RDL is a double roster and breaks into 2 teams per club for games and tournaments and mixes the kids up for each event. All this contributes to inaccurate gotsoccer points and rankings. It makes this point system useless.

This is spot on.

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This is spot on.

Can we allow these teams in NEP - make the state better

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yet several Massachusetts teams use the outdated got soccer formula to recruit uneducated parents. Look here our U-11's are ranked 23rd in the entire country...come join us. It's kind of false advertising but it also can be effective. In reality Massachusetts best teams MIGHT be able to beat the 23rd ranked team of say Texas so got soccer points are geared to clubs playing in the right tournaments as well as playing in as many tournaments as possible. VERY easy to manipulate got soccer.

it's a circle

clubs market with gotsoccer rankings
gotsoccer bases rankings on tournaments and league results
clubs pay gotsoccer for tournament management
leagues pay gotsoccer for league management
rinse and repeat

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yet several Massachusetts teams use the outdated got soccer formula to recruit uneducated parents. Look here our U-11's are ranked 23rd in the entire country...come join us. It's kind of false advertising but it also can be effective. In reality Massachusetts best teams MIGHT be able to beat the 23rd ranked team of say Texas so got soccer points are geared to clubs playing in the right tournaments as well as playing in as many tournaments as possible. VERY easy to manipulate got soccer.

Right now rankings are a complete waste. Let's look at U16 boys. Aztek is #1 in MA because they won 8th division at Jefferson last March, yet NEFC ECNL (arguably one of the top 3 teams in state) did not place in the top division at Jeff. Is Aztek NPL better team than NEFC ECNL? Not even close.
Let's not forget the formula Gotsoccer uses. Your team wins top bracket of tournament that is worth 9000 points, but they deduct 20% of the points you already have and your team walks away with 4,000 points. Now the team that placed 2nd gets 4,500 points to start but because they don't do many tournaments and have a low ranking they can walk away with the same 4,000. This leads to false numbers on actual ranking. My sons team has been #1 in MA a couple times and that equated to about #180 nationally. They have "held there own" by losing 1 point games to nationally ranked top 5 teams, and have lost to nationally ranked mid 300 teams. Gotsoccer rankings are a joke except for clubs to say "Come play for the #1 boys team in MA"

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Right now rankings are a complete waste. Let's look at U16 boys. Aztek is #1 in MA because they won 8th division at Jefferson last March, yet NEFC ECNL (arguably one of the top 3 teams in state) did not place in the top division at Jeff. Is Aztek NPL better team than NEFC ECNL? Not even close.
Let's not forget the formula Gotsoccer uses. Your team wins top bracket of tournament that is worth 9000 points, but they deduct 20% of the points you already have and your team walks away with 4,000 points. Now the team that placed 2nd gets 4,500 points to start but because they don't do many tournaments and have a low ranking they can walk away with the same 4,000. This leads to false numbers on actual ranking. My sons team has been #1 in MA a couple times and that equated to about #180 nationally. They have "held there own" by losing 1 point games to nationally ranked top 5 teams, and have lost to nationally ranked mid 300 teams. Gotsoccer rankings are a joke except for clubs to say "Come play for the #1 boys team in MA"

if NEFC ECNL 05 team is a top U16 team in Mass, then Mass soccer is in real trouble.

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if NEFC ECNL 05 team is a top U16 team in Mass, then Mass soccer is in real trouble.

I said Top 3 in MA. Who else?
Bolts MLS is probably top.
Follow that up with Bolts ECNL
Revs don't have U16.
Stars ECNL?....Not even close
I'm waiting.
Steel '05 dad will now say chime in

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gotsoccer rankings are heavily weighted towards doing well in tournaments, period. You can get thousands of points for a tournament and like hundreds for league season winner. And basically nothing for individual games. the top teams go to more tournaments which serves to stretch out the ranking spreads in their favor. which doesn't necessarily make the rankings wrong, but seems like an odd way of getting there.

youthsoccerrankings.us takes a more reasonable seeming approach. according to them (grain of salt here) they have the same coverage of games but have predictive power off 66% compared to gotsoccer's 32%

Yet I guarantee you'll be pointing to those GS rankings when you register for Jeff Cup you absolute cretin!

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the NEP has some exciting younger teams at the u10 and u11 levels. boys and girls top bracket's in taunton and lancaster look very strong. exciting at the younger NEP levels.

Exciting? You need to get out more

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This post obviously from disgruntled people at surf or Juventus. Just look at the slew of Mom and pop clubs the NECSL just allowed in.

Juventus claim their boys program is the top program around yet look at the level of competition they will be playing in the spring. They are a bunch of frauds.

Yep, terrible that the NECSL let in those "Mom and pop" clubs play in the league rather than creating an environment where an existing club could make them affiliate, wear a different logo on their chest and then play in the league.

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Yep, terrible that the NECSL let in those "Mom and pop" clubs play in the league rather than creating an environment where an existing club could make them affiliate, wear a different logo on their chest and then play in the league.

Plus, the mom and pop leagues will likely play in the lower divisions, so it’s not diluting the quality of the top tier it’s just adding quantity to the bottom so that it’s not always Surf v Juventus v Seacoast