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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    games back in Phase 3
    Hopefully preceded by 80% scrimmage time instead of work on technical training...
    Never heard of playing a game before you learn the skills to play it...
    Oh well, it explains why we are where we are.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I’m the OP you are responding to and the same one that said at the youth level that scrimmaging should be 80% of practice. Technique is something you work on after you understand the basics of the game, and by basics I mean the 80% of the game that is the rules, flow, positioning, etc. Its also learning from making mistakes and not being afraid to make a mistake. You don’t even need a coach at that point which is why you don’t see them around kids playing on a pitch in poor surroundings. Here we put the cart before the horse and put them in club right away where they spend 80% on technique and very little time scrimmaging. In fact, up until game day most coaches have never seen their players actually play because there is so much focus on drills, small-sided games, and technical talks. It works out great so long as they play other club teams that are trained that way. When they finally play outside that little circle, then you see the failures. But by then, they are beyond youth level and it’s too late. These are generational failures and it’s why American men largely haven’t gone anywhere (girls/women suffer the same problem, but since most of the world invests less than nothing in women it’s not as glaring. In fact, it’s worse because American women’s dominance has made it a closed loop system).
      Small-sided games are the backbone of every training system in the world.

      As for technical skills, you can’t play basketball unless you can dribble or shoot. Are you implying that soccer is different?

      Maybe I get it—run around the pitch without a ball during the development stage, learn where to be when you need to be there and then teach the technical skills to match the location of play when they’re in college.

      Kinda like walking the golf course but never swinging a club...
      I wonder if that was Tiger’s secret?

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Hopefully preceded by 80% scrimmage time instead of work on technical training...
        Never heard of playing a game before you learn the skills to play it...
        Oh well, it explains why we are where we are.
        No games or scrimmages allowed in phase 2.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          No games or scrimmages allowed in phase 2.
          Well then, why bother training, according to scrimmage only guy?

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Hopefully preceded by 80% scrimmage time instead of work on technical training...
            Never heard of playing a game before you learn the skills to play it...
            Oh well, it explains why we are where we are.
            The first and second sentence seem to be at odds with one another?

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              The first and second sentence seem to be at odds with one another?
              Sarcasm

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Sarcasm
                Never heard of it. Is it a new thing here at TS?

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Never heard of it. Is it a new thing here at TS?
                  Many attempt it, but few succeed.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I’m the OP you are responding to and the same one that said at the youth level that scrimmaging should be 80% of practice. Technique is something you work on after you understand the basics of the game, and by basics I mean the 80% of the game that is the rules, flow, positioning, etc. Its also learning from making mistakes and not being afraid to make a mistake. You don’t even need a coach at that point which is why you don’t see them around kids playing on a pitch in poor surroundings. Here we put the cart before the horse and put them in club right away where they spend 80% on technique and very little time scrimmaging. In fact, up until game day most coaches have never seen their players actually play because there is so much focus on drills, small-sided games, and technical talks. It works out great so long as they play other club teams that are trained that way. When they finally play outside that little circle, then you see the failures. But by then, they are beyond youth level and it’s too late. These are generational failures and it’s why American men largely haven’t gone anywhere (girls/women suffer the same problem, but since most of the world invests less than nothing in women it’s not as glaring. In fact, it’s worse because American women’s dominance has made it a closed loop system).
                    You're funny. Thanks for this.

                    Unfortunately, your knowledge of how players develop around the world is incredibly naive and backward. Sure, kids in dirt lots in 3rd world countries don't have coaches watching their every move - but they also spend tons of time mastering ball skills. It's just done on their own or with a few friends. They are with a ball ALL the time, not on a laptop or playing with a smartphone. They don't just "scrimmage."

                    Also, you might want to read from specialists in child development. They'll remind you that at certain stages children are completely inwardly focused. Getting them to understand positions, flow, tactics at too early an age is a complete waste of time. They need to have the skills to play, so that when they're capable of more advanced thought and game understanding, they can actually execute what they're perceiving on the pitch. It's like learning hockey without learning to skate, or water polo without being able to swim.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The first and second sentence seem to be at odds with one another?
                      "Scrimmage" here implies between two teams.
                      Practice allows for an intra-squad small sided scrimmage.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        You're funny. Thanks for this.

                        Unfortunately, your knowledge of how players develop around the world is incredibly naive and backward. Sure, kids in dirt lots in 3rd world countries don't have coaches watching their every move - but they also spend tons of time mastering ball skills. It's just done on their own or with a few friends. They are with a ball ALL the time, not on a laptop or playing with a smartphone. They don't just "scrimmage."

                        Also, you might want to read from specialists in child development. They'll remind you that at certain stages children are completely inwardly focused. Getting them to understand positions, flow, tactics at too early an age is a complete waste of time. They need to have the skills to play, so that when they're capable of more advanced thought and game understanding, they can actually execute what they're perceiving on the pitch. It's like learning hockey without learning to skate, or water polo without being able to swim.
                        Getting high school, college and national team players to have “more advanced thought and game understanding” is a challenge in this country

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Getting high school, college and national team players to have “more advanced thought and game understanding” is a challenge in this country
                          Internationally soccer is woven into the cultural fabric. It's easy to watch games at all different levels in person or on TV. Families and friends gather to watch games together. You learn not just by playing but also by watching. Not many US players do that. As has been noted they also aren't playing nearly as often informally.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Internationally soccer is woven into the cultural fabric. It's easy to watch games at all different levels in person or on TV. Families and friends gather to watch games together. You learn not just by playing but also by watching. Not many US players do that. As has been noted they also aren't playing nearly as often informally.
                            international soccer is the worst kind

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              international soccer is the worst kind
                              Read: “Internationally” comma.
                              It means around the world.

                              Another Trump voter no doubt

                              We really ought to have an iq test standard before being allowed to post

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Read: “Internationally” comma.
                                It means around the world.

                                Another Trump voter no doubt

                                We really ought to have an iq test standard before being allowed to post
                                Your kid must be one of those palms up players.

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