Don't Like Timbers Monetizing Youth Soccer

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Then leave.

Left along time ago.

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Then leave.

would never join

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In a back office deal never approved by the OYSA board or its members, Timbers control $2-3 million in youth leagues, cups, ODP per year. No value add, no oversight, no accountability, no out for 10 years. They use OYSA as their play thing.

OYSA leadership characterize the deal as having a gone to their head.

If you are involved in youth soccer and aren't complaining about that, there is something wrong with you (of course unless you are a Peregrine employee).

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In a back office deal never approved by the OYSA board or its members, Timbers control $2-3 million in youth leagues, cups, ODP per year. No value add, no oversight, no accountability, no out for 10 years. They use OYSA as their play thing.

OYSA leadership characterize the deal as having a gun to their head.

If you are involved in youth soccer and aren't complaining about that, there is something wrong with you (of course unless you are a Peregrine employee).

Gun to head, not gone to head (fixed above).

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In a back office deal never approved by the OYSA board or its members, Timbers control $2-3 million in youth leagues, cups, ODP per year. No value add, no oversight, no accountability, no out for 10 years. They use OYSA as their play thing.

OYSA leadership characterize the deal as having a gone to their head.

If you are involved in youth soccer and aren't complaining about that, there is something wrong with you (of course unless you are a Peregrine employee).

First we have to address the systemic problems in many local non profit community clubs which are far worse than a 3rd party who adimsiters the kiddos OYSA rec/classic leagues and ODP program.

First things, First.

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First we have to address the systemic problems in many local non profit community clubs which are far worse than a 3rd party who adimsiters the kiddos OYSA rec/classic leagues and ODP program.

First things, First.

Holding neighborhood clubs to a higher standard than OYSA or a very large Peregrine doesn't make any sense.

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Holding neighborhood clubs to a higher standard than OYSA or a very large Peregrine doesn't make any sense.

Are you implying the clubs are not non-profits? If so then it's just a matter of business ethics.

Since you can't comprehend the difference between a private business and a mission based 501c3 community based soccer club.

edification is needed.

All (OSYA 501c3 soccer clubs) are nonprofit organizations that have been formed by a group of people in order "to pursue a common not-for-profit goal", that is, to pursue a stated goal without the intention of distributing excess revenue to members or leaders. A nonprofit organization is often dedicated to furthering a particular social cause.. In economic terms, a nonprofit organization uses its surplus revenues to further achieve its purpose or mission, rather than distributing its surplus income to the organization's shareholders (or equivalents) as profit or dividends. This is known as the non-distribution constraint. A nonprofit is a tax-exempt organization that serves the PUBLIC INTEREST. In general, the purpose of this type of organization must be charitable, educational, scientific, religious or literary.

By structure and design Oregon OYSA clubs are held to the highest of standards know to mankind.

Contrasted to a professional sports franchise that is created to make money for it's owner(s) by any means necessary.

Please understand the difference.

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First we have to address the systemic problems in many local non profit community clubs which are far worse than a 3rd party who adimsiters the kiddos OYSA rec/classic leagues and ODP program.

First things, First.

Heaven forbid that the top of the "pyramid" would lead by example. You Timbers folk are a walking contradiction. you point fingers and blame local clubs while turning a blind eye to your own transgressions. Time to look yourself in the mirror and be honest. Start there and maybe things can change, until then statusvquo...

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Are you implying the clubs are not non-profits? If so then it's just a matter of business ethics.

Since you can't comprehend the difference between a private business and a mission based 501c3 community based soccer club.

edification is needed.

All (OSYA 501c3 soccer clubs) are nonprofit organizations that have been formed by a group of people in order "to pursue a common not-for-profit goal", that is, to pursue a stated goal without the intention of distributing excess revenue to members or leaders. A nonprofit organization is often dedicated to furthering a particular social cause.. In economic terms, a nonprofit organization uses its surplus revenues to further achieve its purpose or mission, rather than distributing its surplus income to the organization's shareholders (or equivalents) as profit or dividends. This is known as the non-distribution constraint. A nonprofit is a tax-exempt organization that serves the PUBLIC INTEREST. In general, the purpose of this type of organization must be charitable, educational, scientific, religious or literary.

By structure and design Oregon OYSA clubs are held to the highest of standards know to mankind.

Contrasted to a professional sports franchise that is created to make money for it's owner(s) by any means necessary.

Please understand the difference.

In that case let's rape and pillage the clubs. Because there is a 10 year deal peregrine (timbers) should act without integrity and or ethics solely because they are for profit. You seem to forget that developing a youth soccer base will actually help your bottom line if you do it correctly. Homegrowns and reputation for development, not crooked shady deals where parents buy their window licking sons spots is what will drive long term revenue and put a good product on the field. Invade you don't know, other academy directors and mls owners laugh at you...

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In that case let's rape and pillage the clubs. Because there is a 10 year deal peregrine (timbers) should act without integrity and or ethics solely because they are for profit. You seem to forget that developing a youth soccer base will actually help your bottom line if you do it correctly. Homegrowns and reputation for development, not crooked shady deals where parents buy their window licking sons spots is what will drive long term revenue and put a good product on the field. Invade you don't know, other academy directors and mls owners laugh at you...

The only on point & mission based clubs in the US are recreational, they use volunteers, carry out a community service to enrich the kids live through essentially free play. Which creates the foundation and base for all future classic, HS, collegiate and the handful of pros.

In the rest of the football playing word these foundation clubs get compensation via solidarity and training compensation if one of their own gets signed professionally.

We have no such model in the USA, currently. Due to the bizaree structure of the MLS.

As a result our MLS single entity franchises ‘Timbers’ have no financial investment or responsibility to the local clubs that feed their Academy program. In fairness to them they do pay for the Academy program in the hopes they can sell a player and turn a profit.

The model is broke for sure.

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

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The only on point & mission based clubs in the US are recreational, they use volunteers, carry out a community service to enrich the kids live through essentially free play. Which creates the foundation and base for all future classic, HS, collegiate and the handful of pros.

In the rest of the football playing word these foundation clubs get compensation via solidarity and training compensation if one of their own gets signed professionally.

We have no such model in the USA, currently. Due to the bizaree structure of the MLS.

As a result our MLS single entity franchises ‘Timbers’ have no financial investment or responsibility to the local clubs that feed their Academy program. In fairness to them they do pay for the Academy program in the hopes they can sell a player and turn a profit.

The model is broke for sure.

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

Might want to revisit what a club gets for a "homegrown"

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Might want to revisit what a club gets for a "homegrown"

And just so we are all clear- every other mls team (except Minnesota who was just created as the 22nd team in 2017) has had multiple homegrowns which speaks to the absolute chit show the TA is from the administration all the way down to the coaching. Don't blame the players, we have the requisite athletes and soccer players, just lack the clear structured and correctly staffed development path for those who are dedicated and have the long term ability to actually be elite, not just have mommy and daddy's checkbooks....

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The model is broke for sure.

Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

We have little influence over the national structure, but we created the local mess. In my opinion the Timbers were unscrupulous, but doesn't mean the rest of us should wash our hands of any responsibility.

MLS teams are conflicted and don't add value to state-level leagues, cups, or ODP.

#Timbersout