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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    There are 2 different things when talking about GA....

    1. GA as a whole as in nation wide. Yes, it is too early to say if GA will be a success and rival or become the 2nd best league vs ECNL.

    2. GA as it pertains to the north east and mid-atlantic divisions. This is easier to kick around as we've all had kids that at one point or another either played for or against these clubs. We've seen where they are placed in tournaments and when they were EDP and know the teams they lose to or beat.

    While 1 is a wait and see 2 is what it is. If these clubs can actually turn around the perception of the money grubbing club and actually produce players is up in the air. I know some clubs are doing a lot more then they had years prior while others are doing the same training they always have. So, we will see....
    what constitutes a success? what makes a league the best? Player development is not a function of a badge, its a function of the coaches and the player.I think the people who influence kids earliest have a bigger influence on the development arc than any league and/or Club.

    Big professional sports that rely on talent dont have player pools that wait till mid HS to start "developing". People talk about girls soccer like its one of those sports. Its not.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      LOL...CSA is your measuring stick now?

      Again, really surprising all these stories over the last year about the mass exodus of DA/GA players who just waltzed right into ECNL clubs.
      I don't think it's surprising at all. The basic blue print for the majority of the GDA clubs in the area was 1-4 strong players that had some NT program aspirations. Either NT rostered players, camp attendees, NTC attendees, Regional combine participants or kids who had been to ID2 or high level ODP events or even high level ECNL events, who felt playing for the USSF's league would provide a better chance at being part of the USSF's NT programs. But, 1-4 players (if that many) per team, doesn't make a quality league when the drop-off after those top players is pretty steep.

      My D's ECNL team picked up 4 players from the local GDA clubs. 3 are/were indeed involved in NT programs to varying degrees and the other is just an incredible player-easily the top player on her GDA team. I don't think there was a mass exodus with regards to quantity, but I do think most of the higher quality players left.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        There are 2 different things when talking about GA....

        1. GA as a whole as in nation wide. Yes, it is too early to say if GA will be a success and rival or become the 2nd best league vs ECNL.

        2. GA as it pertains to the north east and mid-atlantic divisions. This is easier to kick around as we've all had kids that at one point or another either played for or against these clubs. We've seen where they are placed in tournaments and when they were EDP and know the teams they lose to or beat.

        While 1 is a wait and see 2 is what it is. If these clubs can actually turn around the perception of the money grubbing club and actually produce players is up in the air. I know some clubs are doing a lot more then they had years prior while others are doing the same training they always have. So, we will see....
        As far as GA Northeast and Mid Atlantic divisions they are on par with USYS EDP Div 1. Clubs like Real NJ, Phila Coppa etc would wipe the floor with some GA clubs like SJEB, CSA etc. That’s why these GA teams are typically exposed when playing EDP teams in tournaments. The perception of money grab is more than just perception it’s reality folks.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          As far as GA Northeast and Mid Atlantic divisions they are on par with USYS EDP Div 1. Clubs like Real NJ, Phila Coppa etc would wipe the floor with some GA clubs like SJEB, CSA etc. That’s why these GA teams are typically exposed when playing EDP teams in tournaments. The perception of money grab is more than just perception it’s reality folks.
          The ECNL mid Atlantic division is widely regarded as the weakest division in ECNL . One can conclude that the soccer talent is very diluted in the mid Atlantic area. There are way to many teams between the two leagues and not enough talent.. At one time ECNL really was “elite”k a time when they had far fewer clubs... Now it is a watered down version of its former self.

          Take out PDA Blue and PF (a former DA club);and the rest of the ECNL mid Atlantic is on par with GAL teams ... that is a fact.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            This debate is always entertaining. For the last 2 years it was DA vs ECNL and now its GA vs ECNL. At least when it was DA there were strong arguments for what made DA good (sort of) But GA? You people are all just fooling yourselves.

            Here is the deal. First, ECNL this past fall was only for kids U14 and under. Seriously? Thats who you are focusing on for all of ECNL?

            Second, Yes GA just started and yes I believe it should be given a chance but look at the level of talent on these teams. What CSA team is any good? What STA team is any good? The best kids have left or are leaving and thats a fact. Even when GA finally gets going it will always where the second level kids go. Top kids go to ECNL. Period.

            Third, Clubs like STA are screwed now that DA folded. It was their only chance to be considered Elite. They will never get ECNL and they are putting everything they have into GA. Smiling Tim will tell you anything to get you to that CLUB and anything to keep you. Keep in mind that last year there was no tryouts for these ECNL clubs yet the best kids left. Just wait till this spring when more kids have a chance to leave. Just think about the level of talent that will be left on these GA teams.
            Our CSA team lost 4 starters to PDA and MFA....struggling to find new players to replace them now. Hopefully the hype with GA can attract some talent as more depth is needed.

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              #21
              Once ECNL cherry picks the last few good GAL clubs, GAL is all but done. It is just what NPL was a few years ago - a distant 2nd to ECNL. Ok competition where players will get some exposure, but mostly for low level programs

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Once ECNL cherry picks the last few good GAL clubs, GAL is all but done. It is just what NPL was a few years ago - a distant 2nd to ECNL. Ok competition where players will get some exposure, but mostly for low level programs
                If tryouts are fully on this year like in years past lookout GA. Some folks just held on due to the pandemic.

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                  #23
                  Tryouts are already fully on.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    As far as GA Northeast and Mid Atlantic divisions they are on par with USYS EDP Div 1. Clubs like Real NJ, Phila Coppa etc would wipe the floor with some GA clubs like SJEB, CSA etc. That’s why these GA teams are typically exposed when playing EDP teams in tournaments. The perception of money grab is more than just perception it’s reality folks.
                    what age group would NJ real wipe the floor with GA teams?

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Tryouts are already fully on.
                      Eventually it’s the better USYS clubs like Torpedoes, Wall and Real that’ll be impacted most by GA. Covid might’ve bought USYS another year but once things return to normal, Real etc will lose all their best players. Everyone knows that if you’re a top player and a legitimate D1 prospect, you won’t get seen by many D1 scouts playing USYS. This next year is going to a seminal moment, USYS will clearly be a tier 3 league by fall 2022. In a couple years even their best clubs would finish near the bottom of GA. Doesn’t make it a **** league (there’s a league for everyone) but the debate will be over.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Eventually it’s the better USYS clubs like Torpedoes, Wall and Real that’ll be impacted most by GA. Covid might’ve bought USYS another year but once things return to normal, Real etc will lose all their best players. Everyone knows that if you’re a top player and a legitimate D1 prospect, you won’t get seen by many D1 scouts playing USYS. This next year is going to a seminal moment, USYS will clearly be a tier 3 league by fall 2022. In a couple years even their best clubs would finish near the bottom of GA. Doesn’t make it a **** league (there’s a league for everyone) but the debate will be over.
                        LOL...Real 05 and 06 are beating ECNL and GA teams on a regular basis. That’s not changing anytime soon!

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Eventually it’s the better USYS clubs like Torpedoes, Wall and Real that’ll be impacted most by GA. Covid might’ve bought USYS another year but once things return to normal, Real etc will lose all their best players. Everyone knows that if you’re a top player and a legitimate D1 prospect, you won’t get seen by many D1 scouts playing USYS. This next year is going to a seminal moment, USYS will clearly be a tier 3 league by fall 2022. In a couple years even their best clubs would finish near the bottom of GA. Doesn’t make it a **** league (there’s a league for everyone) but the debate will be over.
                          Here we go again. Legitimate D1 prospect. Could you be anymore vague?

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            LOL...Real 05 and 06 are beating ECNL and GA teams on a regular basis. That’s not changing anytime soon!
                            Just looked at their rosters on gotsoccer. They don’t look happy.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Just looked at their rosters on gotsoccer. They don’t look happy.
                              Wait, adults really look and comment on the faces of kids on other soccer teams? That's a real thing?

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                                #30
                                The reality is that it IS possible to create really good teams (like Real) without the league badge. It is just very difficult and hard to keep together. The possibility is always there that a player or two decides they want to try something new. The politics of the club, how kids are treated, how parents are treated by the coaches are all opportunities for dissatisfaction to creep in and then it becomes easy to justify looking. If Real found a way to keep a talented team or two together, that is a major achievement but it is certainly well outside of normal.

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