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    #31
    No MLS Academy

    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    The records listed are from the MLS Academy league, which has the very best teams in the country. To argue against that is ridiculous.

    The bottom line is all of the best players locally are in the DA by U15. At every level they're doing it better than every other local club. Go watch a training at any age. It's faster, more complex, and at a higher intensity than anything else around here.

    If you're truly suggesting top players should pass on an invite to the TA because they could get better from a local club, then good luck to you.

    There is no such thing as the MLS Academy League. The US Development League consists of MLS clubs that sponsor academy teams but the majority of league participates are from club programs with no affiliation to a MLS team.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      There is no such thing as the MLS Academy League. The US Development League consists of MLS clubs that sponsor academy teams but the majority of league participates are from club programs with no affiliation to a MLS team.
      Correct.

      But in U15 and above, there are only 92 clubs participating in DA, compared to 133 in U14 and U13.

      At any rate, TA U14s get to play against clubs like Snohomish. In U15, their competition consists of three other MLS academies (Quakes, Sounders, and Whitecaps), one USL adademy (Sac Republic), Crossfire Premier, and four elite NorCal clubs, any one of which is generally better than anything in Oregon.

      Taller pyramids are also wider.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        The records listed are from the MLS Academy league, which has the very best teams in the country. To argue against that is ridiculous.

        The bottom line is all of the best players locally are in the DA by U15. At every level they're doing it better than every other local club. Go watch a training at any age. It's faster, more complex, and at a higher intensity than anything else around here.

        If you're truly suggesting top players should pass on an invite to the TA because they could get better from a local club, then good luck to you.
        You must know anything other than you re told.

        Top players turn down the ta every year.

        Perhaps you should get out more..

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          #34
          Clubs are doing better

          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          The records listed are from the MLS Academy league, which has the very best teams in the country. To argue against that is ridiculous.

          The bottom line is all of the best players locally are in the DA by U15. At every level they're doing it better than every other local club. Go watch a training at any age. It's faster, more complex, and at a higher intensity than anything else around here.

          If you're truly suggesting top players should pass on an invite to the TA because they could get better from a local club, then good luck to you.
          Truth is, and you can do the research yourself, the local clubs are placing as many if not more players in college soccer than the DA and at all levels, JuCo, NAIA, NCAA 1,2,3. In many cases.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Truth is, and you can do the research yourself, the local clubs are placing as many if not more players in college soccer than the DA and at all levels, JuCo, NAIA, NCAA 1,2,3. In many cases.
            Which makes sense since there is only one NWSL/MLS DA program available and they field combined ages of only 3 teams at HS.

            In terms of producing D1 talent MLS Timbers DA produce more each year than all other clubs combined.

            Since the net needed to fish d1 girls out to college is so large compared to boys, the Thorns DA tends to have their best go to top flight d1 schools, compared to the litany of local clubs that produce a large number of girls who do go off to college strictly due to title ix interpretation. Supply and demand has more to do with local clubs sending girls college. Nothing related to a top flight playing level, coaches or stacked rosters.

            Simple stuff.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Correct.

              But in U15 and above, there are only 92 clubs participating in DA, compared to 133 in U14 and U13.

              At any rate, TA U14s get to play against clubs like Snohomish. In U15, their competition consists of three other MLS academies (Quakes, Sounders, and Whitecaps), one USL adademy (Sac Republic), Crossfire Premier, and four elite NorCal clubs, any one of which is generally better than anything in Oregon.

              Taller pyramids are also wider.

              How many Timbers Academy graduates are getting first team minutes this season? None? Pretty big indictment of the quality of the Academy program and the players in it.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Which makes sense since there is only one NWSL/MLS DA program available and they field combined ages of only 3 teams at HS.

                In terms of producing D1 talent MLS Timbers DA produce more each year than all other clubs combined.

                Since the net needed to fish d1 girls out to college is so large compared to boys, the Thorns DA tends to have their best go to top flight d1 schools, compared to the litany of local clubs that produce a large number of girls who do go off to college strictly due to title ix interpretation. Supply and demand has more to do with local clubs sending girls college. Nothing related to a top flight playing level, coaches or stacked rosters.

                Simple stuff.
                If boys are going to college soccer from the Timbers Academy, then the Academy is an abysmal failure. MLS Academies are meant to develop PRO players, not college players. Many other MLS clubs have developed dozens of players who are now playing PRO, Timbers are actually the worst performing Academy in the country!

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  How many Timbers Academy graduates are getting first team minutes this season? None? Pretty big indictment of the quality of the Academy program and the players in it.
                  How many MLS Academy graduates are getting first team minutes anywhere?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    How many MLS Academy graduates are getting first team minutes anywhere?
                    In general, MLS is really bad at giving homegrown minutes compared to many other countries, but here are the top10 as of July: https://www.socceramerica.com/public...s-by-team.html


                    3,393 1. Philadelphia (*Trusty 1,890, *McKenzie 1,179, *Real 236, *Fontana 98)
                    1,490 2. Real Salt Lake (Baird 1,306, *Herrera 184)
                    1,141 3. D.C. United (*Durkin 1,141)
                    875 4. Sporting KC (*Lindsey 555, *Kuzain 307, Busio 13)
                    604 5. Toronto FC (*Fraser 456, Dunn 105, Akinola 24, Daniels 19)
                    562 6. Chicago (Lillard 562)
                    392 7. Seattle (Bwana 392)
                    201 8. Orlando City (*Lindley 201)
                    168 9. FC Dallas (Reaves 168)
                    90 10. NY Red Bulls (*Mines 90)

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      In general, MLS is really bad at giving homegrown minutes compared to many other countries, but here are the top10 as of July: https://www.socceramerica.com/public...s-by-team.html


                      3,393 1. Philadelphia (*Trusty 1,890, *McKenzie 1,179, *Real 236, *Fontana 98)
                      1,490 2. Real Salt Lake (Baird 1,306, *Herrera 184)
                      1,141 3. D.C. United (*Durkin 1,141)
                      875 4. Sporting KC (*Lindsey 555, *Kuzain 307, Busio 13)
                      604 5. Toronto FC (*Fraser 456, Dunn 105, Akinola 24, Daniels 19)
                      562 6. Chicago (Lillard 562)
                      392 7. Seattle (Bwana 392)
                      201 8. Orlando City (*Lindley 201)
                      168 9. FC Dallas (Reaves 168)
                      90 10. NY Red Bulls (*Mines 90)
                      That is first year only (first year in MLS). Dallas is the head of the class overall - 18 homegrown players have signed with the first team, as of summer 2017.

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                        #41
                        Wiat

                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        If boys are going to college soccer from the Timbers Academy, then the Academy is an abysmal failure. MLS Academies are meant to develop PRO players, not college players. Many other MLS clubs have developed dozens of players who are now playing PRO, Timbers are actually the worst performing Academy in the country!
                        The Timbers are part of the US Soccer Development Academy. The boys US DA says nothing about developing MLS players. In reality tUS DA host showcase events and invite college coaches to come an recruit, it is the biggest selling point of the US DA and Timbers do support these event and invite college coaches to their local games for college placement. Most US DA players path way is college. The homegrown label follows the player through college protecting the player one year after graduation unless released.

                        Some MLS teams do have a bigger focus on developing home grown players, the Timbers seem to deploy a larger international roster and even acquire additional international roster spots when they can. These are club strategies not US DA policy. The advantage of not count a home grown players salary against the teams cap is pretty minimal and can be achieved by singing them to a MLS contract and loaning them.

                        I would not base the success or not success of the Timbers DA on home grown players but on the entire body of work that includes college placement.

                        Both combined.....you decide

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                          #42
                          A professional academy should be judged on first team minutes for academy graduates and outgoing transfer fees for the same.

                          Parents should absolutely evaluate academies on number of graduates offered contracts and number of castaways being given college scholarships and/or entrance into top academic institutions due to soccer merit.

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                            #43
                            South Korean Pipeline

                            Could not help but notice ~30% of U18/19 players are from overseas, most from South Korea, when did they establish that pipeline?

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Could not help but notice ~30% of U18/19 players are from overseas, most from South Korea, when did they establish that pipeline?
                              Never noticed that - so far, not a very successful pipeline, but when did that start?

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                                #45
                                Wrong

                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                A professional academy should be judged on first team minutes for academy graduates and outgoing transfer fees for the same.

                                Parents should absolutely evaluate academies on number of graduates offered contracts and number of castaways being given college scholarships and/or entrance into top academic institutions due to soccer merit.
                                You are in America is the problem. Yes oversees an academy should be judge on number of players in the first team or transfer fees and the academy is graded, it is called a profit and loss statement for the academy. In America not so much. The first team can only absorb so many new players a year. What about the rest of the academy players, you are going to sell them to who, Reno ? Can you even collect a training fees? no and even if you could can a USL team afford it? no they can barely afford the high school stadiums they are playing in. There isn't a market for American professional soccer players, work visas etc are major barrier to selling over seas. Vancouver White Caps have a big edge being part of the common wealth.

                                College is the golden ticket still for an american soccer player. MLS salaries are still very low, compared to the long lasting earning potential of a college graduate.

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