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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Why do you keep coming on here trying change American youth soccer. It was far better off when it was accessible to all, before these massive tuition fees. I bet you are the type of person who makes a living off those fees.
    I agree soccer is expensive...especially compared to other countries where you have Club like Man United that makes $5 Billion a year and Can help subsidize clubs within their region. We don’t have that here.

    I will say, that within our US landscapes of youth sports that soccer is cheaper than most sports.

    Baseballs is $4k/year around here
    Basketball is $3k/year

    Club sports are expensive!

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Lengthy discussion comparing 2 Canadian models to Catalonia youth soccer model: https://gsarakinis.wixsite.com/kidzf...d-how-it-works

      Over here [Catalonia] it's pretty simple. Everything is under one stream with the Catalan Football Federation (www.fcf.cat) You can see on their website from Segunda B (third tier of professional football) all the way down to U7-8. There are scores and standing for all groups but promotion/relegation starts at the U9/10 age group. They are 2 year age groups until U19, but they are U8(Prebenjami), U10(Benjami), U12(Alevi), U14(Infantil), U16(Cadet) and finally U19(Juvenil).

      Divison of Honour is 1 division from all of Catalonia and has 16 teams as you can see from the standings below. There is no distinguishing between a pro academy, local town academy, for profit, not for profit. If you are good enough as a club then you would have a team in this division based on footballing merit.

      No alphabet soup of leagues; no distinction between pro, amateur, profit/nonprofit youth clubs; they keep score, standings, promote and relegate at a very young age [much younger than us]. Age-groups are usually 2-year as opposed 1-year.

      As author calls out, no system is perfect, but Oregon and American youth soccer is definitely headed in a different direction then one of the top regions in the world in terms of producing elite soccer players.
      Wake up bro!

      https://www.socceramerica.com/public...o-astound.html

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Unfortunately, Soccer America has gone behind a paywall, and even disabled the "incognito mode" trick. (You have to now give them an email address to read any of the articles, and then either pay money or be limited to three per month).

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Beane on Timbers alliance garbage:

          TODD BEANE: MLS as a collective entity is not going to do much. It is a socialist organization with a capitalist agenda. I think they are pretty clear about that and fair credit to them for what they have chiseled out over the last 20-plus years.
          Having said that, an MLS club autonomously can accomplish so much. First, they need to stop the nonsensical affiliate programs that translate into selling logos and false promises.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            No, US Club was initially a reform movement trying to break the stranglehold of state organizations run by soccer moms and soft bureaucrats with rec mentalities and fiefdoms to protect. What started as a reform movement turned into its own structure with leadership salaries that need to be paid. Chicago is no better and has pushed through idiotic changes (beyond DA) like calendar year, abolish a/rs for 9v9, requiring states and clubs to rewrite their bylaws promising not to sue the feds. Some good stuff comes out of there; plenty of self-serving mierda.Regardless, claims by know-it-alls from Peregrine, US Club, or Federation employees telling us "how it is done somewhere else" should be scrutinized before we break anything else.
            US Club was driven and formed by paid ex-pats who were able to turn a profit in populated markets across the US as ‘directors of youth soccer coaching’. These bona fide con men wanted more control of their little money making camelot’s, that’s it.

            We have no Camelot’s in Oregon, as such, so it’s about keeping the monies from parents flowing in, while the kids play for nothing and actually learn even less about the game. No complaints in clueless Oregon. The end result we a smorgasbord of worthless labels to choose from. Which is exciting I guess.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Beane on Timbers alliance garbage:

              TODD BEANE: MLS as a collective entity is not going to do much. It is a socialist organization with a capitalist agenda. I think they are pretty clear about that and fair credit to them for what they have chiseled out over the last 20-plus years.
              Having said that, an MLS club autonomously can accomplish so much. First, they need to stop the nonsensical affiliate programs that translate into selling logos and false promises.
              Todd has firsthand experience with the likes of Eastside, Gavin, and Westside; just calling a spade a spade.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Beane on Timbers alliance garbage:

                TODD BEANE: MLS as a collective entity is not going to do much. It is a socialist organization with a capitalist agenda. I think they are pretty clear about that and fair credit to them for what they have chiseled out over the last 20-plus years.
                Having said that, an MLS club autonomously can accomplish so much. First, they need to stop the nonsensical affiliate programs that translate into selling logos and false promises.
                What’s even worse when a local neighborhood club adopts this exact model, see Washington based Crossfire Premier club who has a nonsensical affiliation with LOSC/WUSC/THUSC clubs called Crossfire Oregon & Crossfire Oregon. Trying to sell a logo and false promises.

                Copycat syndrome for those without an Idenity. Trickle way down effect. Mr. Bean is funny.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  That article says nothing about tracking wins/losses and standings at youth level, or promotion/relegation. It has zero to do with the original blog posted above about how youth soccer is organized in Catalonia (which looks way more intense, win-oriented, at a young age than our snowflake culture here).

                  Except . . . . Beane is one of the many soccer minds out there who may have some positives to contribute, but have not (on their own) created a scalable model for youth development; so I would be careful treating him as a patron saint of anything. To his credit, he rejects that US can merely copy what is done elsewhere.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    What’s even worse when a local neighborhood club adopts this exact model, see Washington based Crossfire Premier club who has a nonsensical affiliation with LOSC/WUSC/THUSC clubs called Crossfire Oregon & Crossfire Oregon. Trying to sell a logo and false promises.

                    Copycat syndrome for those without an Idenity. Trickle way down effect. Mr. Bean is funny.
                    Crossfire Oregon /Crossfire United logo cost these local clubs a lot of money for nothing in return.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Todd has firsthand experience with the likes of Eastside, Gavin, and Westside; just calling a spade a spade.
                      Huh?

                      Beane (Johann Cruyff's son-in-law, who runs TOVO Academy) has been living in Spain the past 20 years. While he probably tries to stay aware of trends in US youth soccer, why would he have any particular knowledge about the goings-on in OYSA? I'm rather certain the Timbers aren't the only MLS club with "alliances", and at any rate, such things seem mainly to be about marketing. Useless, though harmless.

                      Some of Beane's proposals are actually quite good. Unfortunately, TOVO is ungodly expensive; even though he means well, his little gig is the worst sort of pay-to-play. Some clubs will subsidize top players to go, and do manage to convince the rest of the parents that this is a good use of club funds.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Huh?

                        Beane (Johann Cruyff's son-in-law, who runs TOVO Academy) has been living in Spain the past 20 years. While he probably tries to stay aware of trends in US youth soccer, why would he have any particular knowledge about the goings-on in OYSA? I'm rather certain the Timbers aren't the only MLS club with "alliances", and at any rate, such things seem mainly to be about marketing. Useless, though harmless.

                        Some of Beane's proposals are actually quite good. Unfortunately, TOVO is ungodly expensive; even though he means well, his little gig is the worst sort of pay-to-play. Some clubs will subsidize top players to go, and do manage to convince the rest of the parents that this is a good use of club funds.
                        Statement was tongue-in-cheek . . . but Beane clearly is no fan of MLS affiliate/alliance programs.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Todd has firsthand experience with the likes of Eastside, Gavin, and Westside; just calling a spade a spade.
                          Why is it only Eastside and Westside get a jab here? Washington Timbers are part of the same arrangement, as are Eugene, Bend, and Medford.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Why is it only Eastside and Westside get a jab here? Washington Timbers are part of the same arrangement, as are Eugene, Bend, and Medford.
                            They have knocked out and hammered every PDX metro club for 25 years+ along with FC PDX.

                            Eugene, Bend, WasT, Capital & Medford don’t hinder these local fledgling pdx metro wanna be clubs in their juvenile pursuit of capturing decent players and parent dollars.

                            Why can’t it just be easy, right.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              That article says nothing about tracking wins/losses and standings at youth level, or promotion/relegation. It has zero to do with the original blog posted above about how youth soccer is organized in Catalonia (which looks way more intense, win-oriented, at a young age than our snowflake culture here).

                              Except . . . . Beane is one of the many soccer minds out there who may have some positives to contribute, but have not (on their own) created a scalable model for youth development; so I would be careful treating him as a patron saint of anything. To his credit, he rejects that US can merely copy what is done elsewhere.
                              Maybe the local clubs should stop copying everything Timbers? DA for example.

                              Get back to building local leagues, educating coaches/mentors stay away from pay to travel schemes and invest in the youth. Jus sayin.

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