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so why don't they have relegation? This way the top teams (both MLS and non-MLS) will have lower travel times and still have great games.
They won't have less travel but more. Half the teams means more road trips to get in the same number of games. Also non MLS clubs don't want two tiers because if they're in tier 2 they have less of a reason for being
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so why don't they have relegation? This way the top teams (both MLS and non-MLS) will have lower travel times and still have great games.
In my Opinion, this is probably the objective of the MLS Development academy clubs "Talking about leaving DA". I believe they just want the less competitive non-MLS teams off their schedule and as a "compromise" this is what will happen, even though this is probably their true objective to begin with.
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U16/17 = 20 MLS/62 non-MLS
U18/19 = 20 MLS/58 non-MLS

if you cut out the bottom 50% the differential closes a lot, hence the reasonably balanced representation in the playoffs.
Yes, cut the bottom half. At least the MLS clubs pay the fees for their players (and hopefully much of the travel) but for the non-mls clubs you just added a ton of cost ..... loving this ... can't wait to see OW (and clubs like them) bill go from $2700 + travel to $3500+ (to cover additional coaches travel fees) + travel. The funny thing is, that when you cut so much chaff, the best players from the teams that got spurned will find their ways to free MLS clubs, making them even more competitive and widening the gap again between themselves and non-mls clubs which will have to pay a heavy cost.
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yes, cut the bottom half. At least the mls clubs pay the fees for their players (and hopefully much of the travel) but for the non-mls clubs you just added a ton of cost ..... Loving this ... Can't wait to see ow (and clubs like them) bill go from $2700 + travel to $3500+ (to cover additional coaches travel fees) + travel. The funny thing is, that when you cut so much chaff, the best players from the teams that got spurned will find their ways to free mls clubs, making them even more competitive and widening the gap again between themselves and non-mls clubs which will have to pay a heavy cost.
excellent points

good stuff here.
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Yes, cut the bottom half. At least the MLS clubs pay the fees for their players (and hopefully much of the travel) but for the non-mls clubs you just added a ton of cost ..... loving this ... can't wait to see OW (and clubs like them) bill go from $2700 + travel to $3500+ (to cover additional coaches travel fees) + travel. The funny thing is, that when you cut so much chaff, the best players from the teams that got spurned will find their ways to free MLS clubs, making them even more competitive and widening the gap again between themselves and non-mls clubs which will have to pay a heavy cost.
What happens to the revs or another MLS team that is in the bottom for their age group?
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Isn't part of the justification for the money the MLS franchises receive from The US National Team (through SUM) that the MLS will have Academies and Youth Training? Back during the US Soccer Presidential election all of the candidates (except Kathy Carter) where pointing out how the MLS receives money from the National Team broadcasts and merchandise. The MLS franchise agreement is the only reason 75% of the MLS clubs have academies. Currently, there is no incentive to develop players just a contractual agreement.

So if MLS pulls out of Development Academy I sure hope US Soccer Federation revises the SUM agreement.
SUM is the only reason the MLS still exists. MLS clubs don’t make money. SUM makes money for the MLS owners. Actually the Owners don’t really own the MLS club, they essentially own shares in MLS that is represented by “their” club. SUM pays them “dividends” on those owned shares.
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What happens to the revs or another MLS team that is in the bottom for their age group?
I would expect they will suffer initially and then pick up players from the Bolts and Oakwood that will make them more competitive despite the clubs lack of effort. They will gain starters and cut deadwood.
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Agreed. I think the “This is how the world does it” is wearing off as clubs realize there is nothing resembling the world’s clubs in the organization of MLS or American soccer.
But that is exactly why Garber has changed his tune on Solidarity and Training compensation....the current development model for MLS clubs is financially untenable, and the MLS owners have told Garber to change it. The owners want to get paid if one of their kids moves to Europe or elsewhere. It's business, not a charity.

Now that the big money that controls MLS has spoken, it will interesting to see if non-pro clubs can cash in on their development efforts as well....Crossfire still wants it Yedlin money, etc....could be a game changer for youth development in the US.
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They won't have less travel but more. Half the teams means more road trips to get in the same number of games. Also non MLS clubs don't want two tiers because if they're in tier 2 they have less of a reason for being
Sorry- I meant they would have less travel time than if it was just MLS teams. The non MLS and MLS clubs in the 2nd tier will have an incentive to make the top 2 or 4 if that promotes them to the first tier.
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What happens to the revs or another MLS team that is in the bottom for their age group?
Revs are more of an exception than a rule. Being free automatically means far more players are knocking on the doors of MLS clubs. They generally are more selective and the better ones don't get caught up in W/L records and look at development as a long term process.
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