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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    A great thing. Clubs need to quit playing the league game suggesting ECNL, FPL and FSPL is any different or ranking them. Th equality of play is the same. No better or worse. Look at State Cup results.
    I think this is a great thing too. But after that I have to really disagree with you. I have to respectfully say that anyone who says something like this... "Clubs need to quit playing the league game suggesting ECNL, FPL and FSPL is any different or ranking them. The equality of play is the same. No better or worse. Look at State Cup results" really has not seen the higher levels of play. I have watched a ton of games in ECNL, FPL, FSPL and GDA.

    I believe that the top 1-2 teams in each league (in each Region) could probably play competitively with each other in each age group. Where the huge drop in level of play is most obvious is in each league's teams that are ranked say, 4-10. Usually, (not always) when you have #1 play a #7 in ECNL you still end up with a result like 2-0 or 1-1, etc.

    In our experience, usually, (not always) when you have #1 play a #7 in NPL, FSPL, etc. you end up with a result like 5-0 or 4-1, etc. because the of the dropoff in the strength of the teams in that league and region.

    It is even more obvious when you go to the showcases like Jeff Cup or CASL where teams from these various leagues compete. They work hard to not schedule a #2 ECNL with a #6 NPL because it would almost certainly be a result like 5-0, etc.

    And my point is not bash any league - they all have their role but nobody should confuse that fact that the level of play is the same across all of them.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Definitely will tighten the at-large pool, if there is any at all. If all round of 16 teams plus previous fspl teams apply, it will be interesting to see their selection process. Some teams made round of 16 via weaker brackets. Will they be penalized when choosing spots?
      Part of the allure for some of the smaller club's teams to play in State Cup was the opportunity to get into the FSPL to play against the better teams in the state. It was really good of FYSA to provide an "open" path to these opportunities: Make the round of 16 and earn a chance for the best to play against the best in FSPL the following year!

      Depending on the selection process, this could close down the path within the soccer landscape for a good team at a smaller club that doesn't have the same league opportunities as the bigger clubs.

      It seems like a BIG bait and switch if a team that made the Round of 16 is excluded from playing in FSPL next year. At the very least, the changes (along with the selection criteria) should have been published PRIOR to State Cup registration.

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        #18
        US Club power

        Originally posted by I put my name on it View Post
        As father of a U19B who has, in the past, played SRPL, FSPL and NPL, I am going to disagree with you here. For at least the Premier FSPL, this should be where the top, non-DA teams go for these reasons:
        *Club-based leagues are rife with imbalances. A league that has relegation and promotion should bring the top teams into competition. Currently, EVERY league has 3-4 top teams that compete for the title and the remainder of the teams get blown out and end the season with horribly negative goal differential. Getting their ass handed to them regularly does not serve the players well from those teams at the bottom of the table.

        *Paring down the number of teams in the league lowers the number of games and the stresses of travel. It should also put the top teams into more competitive groups. In the past, FSPL taking ALL round of 16 teams into the league meant that marginal teams that got a fortunate draw in State Cup could qualify, only to get decimated in competition the following year. Additionally, the 1-3 teams that advanced to National League or SRPL would create vacancies that were filled with teams that got knocked out in round 2! I always thought it would have been better to just have 13 or 14 in the league rather than subjectively promote a substandard team into the competitive mix. A league of the final 8 made more sense, but then FYSA couldn't make as much money.

        *For ANY team over U15, a regional or national league model is deficient. Players need to focus on development and then showcases to display their talent. Wasting money to travel all over the SE where no college coaches come to watch is a colossal waste of money. Forget ENCL, it is no different. The "top talent" is not necessarily there any more than it was in SRPL in the past. There were some pretty mediocre teams in SRPL and horrible teams in boy's ECNL this year.

        This, of course, assumes rational decision making. Clubs will still market themselves as offering ECNL as the "best competitive league" and suckers may very well flock to it like moths to a porch light on a summer evening. But, it is all an illusion.
        Also, I believe that if it is an ECNL club then they HAVE to put teams in FPL/NPL.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Also, I believe that if it is an ECNL club then they HAVE to put teams in FPL/NPL.
          Not exactly... TBU had their 2nd team 2002 Girls in FSPL

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Part of the allure for some of the smaller club's teams to play in State Cup was the opportunity to get into the FSPL to play against the better teams in the state. It was really good of FYSA to provide an "open" path to these opportunities: Make the round of 16 and earn a chance for the best to play against the best in FSPL the following year!

            Depending on the selection process, this could close down the path within the soccer landscape for a good team at a smaller club that doesn't have the same league opportunities as the bigger clubs.

            It seems like a BIG bait and switch if a team that made the Round of 16 is excluded from playing in FSPL next year. At the very least, the changes (along with the selection criteria) should have been published PRIOR to State Cup registration.
            I would be very surprised if a State Cup final 16 team is excluded from entry.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              I would be very surprised if a State Cup final 16 team is excluded from entry.
              Will Dunedin be allowed in do you think? Their U14s went out in the first round of SC but were very unlucky in all three games not to score. And were really unlucky during the season to lose almost every game. Brilliant team though.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Will Dunedin be allowed in do you think? Their U14s went out in the first round of SC but were very unlucky in all three games not to score. And were really unlucky during the season to lose almost every game. Brilliant team though.
                "unlucky".........you crack me up.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I would be very surprised if a State Cup final 16 team is excluded from entry.
                  Hopefully this year that's true. Hopefully.

                  BUT, based on the update posted on FYSA's site, making the round of 16 will NOT guarantee you a spot in FSPL in future years.

                  There will only be two spots available each year for a team to move into the second tier ("First Division").

                  It will be a very closed system. In two years and beyond there will be several instances of non-FSPL teams beating FSPL teams in State Cup, but not having the opportunity to move into FSPL the next year.

                  For example, let's take this year's U15 Boys FSPL teams.

                  5 of the 12 teams weren't in FSPL the year before, including the team that WON the league (Team Boca-SABR).

                  If we were operating under the new system, Team Boca would not have even been able to be part of the Premier division this year (which they WON).

                  Similarly, look at TBU Premier, who couldn't even get past the Round of 16 in PRESIDENT'S Cup. They would stay in FSPL.
                  Or Brevard, who only one game in their group in Round 2 of State Cup. They would stay in FSPL.

                  And this is just the mess you'll have at one age group.

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                    #24
                    This is a good set up. Unlike ECNL, NPL, FPL and DA where the competition varies depending on which club you play against that weekend. Hopefully with FSPL Premier you know your playing a Top 10 team in the State.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Hopefully this year that's true. Hopefully.

                      BUT, based on the update posted on FYSA's site, making the round of 16 will NOT guarantee you a spot in FSPL in future years.

                      There will only be two spots available each year for a team to move into the second tier ("First Division").

                      It will be a very closed system. In two years and beyond there will be several instances of non-FSPL teams beating FSPL teams in State Cup, but not having the opportunity to move into FSPL the next year.

                      For example, let's take this year's U15 Boys FSPL teams.

                      5 of the 12 teams weren't in FSPL the year before, including the team that WON the league (Team Boca-SABR).

                      If we were operating under the new system, Team Boca would not have even been able to be part of the Premier division this year (which they WON).

                      Similarly, look at TBU Premier, who couldn't even get past the Round of 16 in PRESIDENT'S Cup. They would stay in FSPL.
                      Or Brevard, who only one game in their group in Round 2 of State Cup. They would stay in FSPL.

                      And this is just the mess you'll have at one age group.
                      I really don't think that it will be as big of an issue as you make it out. This change is to keep the FSPL from being watered down (as it was this past season) so you don't have these poor performing teams (many of which were admitted this year because so many teams pulled out after the schedule conflicted with the qualifier). The promotion system should allow the league to maintain a certain level of competitiveness (team 8 should not be significantly worse than team 1). It may take a few years of promotion and demotion to get to that point, but in the long run, this is a much better system.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I really don't think that it will be as big of an issue as you make it out. This change is to keep the FSPL from being watered down (as it was this past season) so you don't have these poor performing teams (many of which were admitted this year because so many teams pulled out after the schedule conflicted with the qualifier). The promotion system should allow the league to maintain a certain level of competitiveness (team 8 should not be significantly worse than team 1). It may take a few years of promotion and demotion to get to that point, but in the long run, this is a much better system.
                        I agree with this statement here. This past season was not the best for FSPL, but this new update could very well bring in some top teams back to the league. With a little time and fine-tuning, this system could be great.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          I really don't think that it will be as big of an issue as you make it out. This change is to keep the FSPL from being watered down (as it was this past season) so you don't have these poor performing teams (many of which were admitted this year because so many teams pulled out after the schedule conflicted with the qualifier). The promotion system should allow the league to maintain a certain level of competitiveness (team 8 should not be significantly worse than team 1). It may take a few years of promotion and demotion to get to that point, but in the long run, this is a much better system.
                          Let's be honest. The change gives more power to the flagship FYSA clubs (that make up the FSPL "commission) and turn it into what is essentially a closed league like ECNL or NPL where "money talks."

                          The old way where ANY team that was good enough to make it to the Round of 16 could join FSPL was upsetting some apple carts at the bigger clubs. "It's not fair that we charge all this money for training, and then some little club gets to go into FSPL ahead of us... Waaaah waaaah. Our GOTSOCCER ranking is soooo much higher because we spent so much money to travel to sponsored tournaments. It's just not fair. Waaah waaah."

                          This gives the FSPL "commission" a chance to stack the deck to keep the club money flowing.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Hopefully this year that's true. Hopefully.

                            BUT, based on the update posted on FYSA's site, making the round of 16 will NOT guarantee you a spot in FSPL in future years.

                            There will only be two spots available each year for a team to move into the second tier ("First Division").

                            It will be a very closed system. In two years and beyond there will be several instances of non-FSPL teams beating FSPL teams in State Cup, but not having the opportunity to move into FSPL the next year.

                            For example, let's take this year's U15 Boys FSPL teams.

                            5 of the 12 teams weren't in FSPL the year before, including the team that WON the league (Team Boca-SABR).

                            If we were operating under the new system, Team Boca would not have even been able to be part of the Premier division this year (which they WON).

                            Similarly, look at TBU Premier, who couldn't even get past the Round of 16 in PRESIDENT'S Cup. They would stay in FSPL.
                            Or Brevard, who only one game in their group in Round 2 of State Cup. They would stay in FSPL.

                            And this is just the mess you'll have at one age group.
                            Not necessarily disputing the points you are trying to make, but should make sure your examples are accurate. U15 Brevard lost in the final8 of state cup. They only lost 2 games in entire State Cup tournament. Round 2 to Weston and final8 game to Wellington (who they beat in FSPL). In FSPL Brevard lost total of 3 games. two by 1 goal and one by 2 goals. Hopefully they do deserve to get back in to FSPL.

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                              #29
                              Who sits on the commission?

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Not necessarily disputing the points you are trying to make, but should make sure your examples are accurate. U15 Brevard lost in the final8 of state cup. They only lost 2 games in entire State Cup tournament. Round 2 to Weston and final8 game to Wellington (who they beat in FSPL). In FSPL Brevard lost total of 3 games. two by 1 goal and one by 2 goals. Hopefully they do deserve to get back in to FSPL.
                                You're correct. Not Brevard, should have said Coral Estates.

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