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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    sometimes you have to chose the best of the bad.
    Totally agree but I am genuinely curious when people talk about choices and switching clubs often. I don’t feel like we have a choice at all. We contemplated SSS (before the da switch) but it’s way too long a drive. Scorpions ecnl are awful in our age group, Aztecs are a joke for our age. Nefc isn’t bad but again at our age the stars team is better and nefc has da which doesn’t work. So I am confused by the “there are so many choices” posters. Maybe in other age groups the talent is more spread out among the clubs. I get that a lot of people are down on traveling and the expense but you just have to look at local tournaments to see that some teams absolutely need to travel to get in good games.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      That sounds great and all but there are plenty of clubs that, if they get wind that you are looking elsewhere or not coming back next year, your kid won't see the field again.
      That alone speaks volumes. Do you really want your kid to play for a team/club/coach where playing time decisions are based on anything besides playing ability? I would run from that team quickly as there is no chance the best players are playing game in and game out.

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        #33
        The girls 2007 thread

        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        That alone speaks volumes. Do you really want your kid to play for a team/club/coach where playing time decisions are based on anything besides playing ability? I would run from that team quickly as there is no chance the best players are playing game in and game out.
        If you go to an ID clinic then a coach should understand. If you are going to regular practices and not telling anyone the coach/club has the right to be upset. Clearly these rules are not followed but they are posted.

        Coaches are not allowed to contact any players from another NEP club during regular season play. Contact may only be initiated by a coach during the stated time frame for try-outs.
        If a player initiates contact with a coach during regular season play, the coach must ask the player if they are committed to another NEP club. If so, then the player will be asked to inform their current club of their intent to try-out for another club before any further action may be taken. Players may not attend training sessions as a "guest" whilst playing for another NEP club. The League expectation is that clubs will communicate clearly and honorably through this process.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          If you go to an ID clinic then a coach should understand. If you are going to regular practices and not telling anyone the coach/club has the right to be upset. Clearly these rules are not followed but they are posted.

          Coaches are not allowed to contact any players from another NEP club during regular season play. Contact may only be initiated by a coach during the stated time frame for try-outs.
          If a player initiates contact with a coach during regular season play, the coach must ask the player if they are committed to another NEP club. If so, then the player will be asked to inform their current club of their intent to try-out for another club before any further action may be taken. Players may not attend training sessions as a "guest" whilst playing for another NEP club. The League expectation is that clubs will communicate clearly and honorably through this process.
          does is rule out going from NEP NPL to ECNL practice?

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            #35
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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            does is rule out going from NEP NPL to ECNL practice?
            No but that should still be a conversation. If a player is looking to jump levels and has to skill to do it then they should talk to the coach.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              If you go to an ID clinic then a coach should understand. If you are going to regular practices and not telling anyone the coach/club has the right to be upset. Clearly these rules are not followed but they are posted.

              Coaches are not allowed to contact any players from another NEP club during regular season play. Contact may only be initiated by a coach during the stated time frame for try-outs.
              If a player initiates contact with a coach during regular season play, the coach must ask the player if they are committed to another NEP club. If so, then the player will be asked to inform their current club of their intent to try-out for another club before any further action may be taken. Players may not attend training sessions as a "guest" whilst playing for another NEP club. The League expectation is that clubs will communicate clearly and honorably through this process.
              This is funny.... Go to any training session of any top team at one of the big clubs during the month of May... there will be multiple kids from other clubs at pretty much every practice. If these rules are real, they are never followed.

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                #37
                The stated rules are never followed. Coaches leave it up to the players to tell their coach if they want to; which never goes well. Easier to beg for forgiveness then ask for permission. If you ask and they say no, then what are you going to do? Makes it even worse if they find out; which they often do.However I will say that it is rare for a coach to approach a player and ask them to come to a practice, but they can always add subtle hints to get the message across. Once had a coach straight out tell me he can’t invite my kid to a practice so I flipped the script and just asked if she could attend

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  No but that should still be a conversation. If a player is looking to jump levels and has to skill to do it then they should talk to the coach.
                  You do not owe it to the place you bought your car from, the agent you bought your house from and you owe nothing here. You are paying the bill, do whatever the f%$^ you want. Forget those shyksters trying to make you feel guilty. Tell them when you got the offer from the new team that you are leaving right after your current team's last game and offer no apologies. If they want to know why, tell them or dont, its up to you. If they do not know why the move makes sense for you its because they never bothered with your kid before or they are far overestimating their own abilities and the current team.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    This is funny.... Go to any training session of any top team at one of the big clubs during the month of May... there will be multiple kids from other clubs at pretty much every practice. If these rules are real, they are never followed.

                    Yep, and everyone knows it. And nobody cares because they all break the rules. Oh and everyone knows that official tryouts are not the time to tryout either. And everyone knows it. And the clubs will tell you that too.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      This is funny.... Go to any training session of any top team at one of the big clubs during the month of May... there will be multiple kids from other clubs at pretty much every practice. If these rules are real, they are never followed.
                      Most leagues don't allow it within their league, but there's no rules prohibiting it across leagues (say an NEP looking into ECNL). Even within there isn't much policing going on.

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                        #41
                        Re: Practicing with another club while being committed to your current club.

                        Unless you have a singed contract that says you cannot pursue any other activities outside your club, you can do what you want on your free time as long as it doesn't affect your current club. So, you are making all your trainings and matches with your current club, and attend a training with someone else separately, then there is nothing to stop that.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          No but that should still be a conversation. If a player is looking to jump levels and has to skill to do it then they should talk to the coach.
                          All depends on the coach. A good coach will encourage the move if it's in the player's best interest. A bad one will be a selfish jealous pri ck and either discourage it, maybe also take it out on the player. The problem is that sometimes a move really isn't in the best interest of the player but the family thinks the coach is just being a selfish jealous pri ck. Coaching/club is a small world and these guys know a lot about what goes on at other clubs. They also have been working with your kid for months and months. For all the complaints about coaching out there most will have a good idea if your kid was what it takes to move up - not just skill wise but also attitude.

                          Conversely - sometimes a player is in over his or her head. A coach should let the family know early that they should be looking elsewhere, maybe even offer suggestions. Too many families are caught unaware May/June and they're left scrambling for something else.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            All depends on the coach. A good coach will encourage the move if it's in the player's best interest. A bad one will be a selfish jealous pri ck and either discourage it, maybe also take it out on the player. The problem is that sometimes a move really isn't in the best interest of the player but the family thinks the coach is just being a selfish jealous pri ck. Coaching/club is a small world and these guys know a lot about what goes on at other clubs. They also have been working with your kid for months and months. For all the complaints about coaching out there most will have a good idea if your kid was what it takes to move up - not just skill wise but also attitude.

                            Conversely - sometimes a player is in over his or her head. A coach should let the family know early that they should be looking elsewhere, maybe even offer suggestions. Too many families are caught unaware May/June and they're left scrambling for something else.
                            That’s exactly it. It’s not that we aren’t happy, we are. The problem is that other players have received offers, and mine has not. We don’t want to be in the situation come June with no team to play on. The coach hasn’t been forthcoming with us when asked. Sort of beating around the bush if you will.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

                              Conversely - sometimes a player is in over his or her head. A coach should let the family know early that they should be looking elsewhere, maybe even offer suggestions. Too many families are caught unaware May/June and they're left scrambling for something else.
                              While we only club-hopped once, we took in spare trainings/"tryouts" virtually every year with 1-2 other clubs. Sometimes, you see the grass isn't greener. Sometimes the grass was fine, it's just too far away and you find that out after trying the commute a few times. It's also possible that you find out you just aren't good enough.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                That’s exactly it. It’s not that we aren’t happy, we are. The problem is that other players have received offers, and mine has not. We don’t want to be in the situation come June with no team to play on. The coach hasn’t been forthcoming with us when asked. Sort of beating around the bush if you will.
                                Then I'd definitely start looking. It's very possible he really doesn't know right now - he'll want to hold on to a bubble players as long as possible, not knowing who will come and who will accept an offer. However, if she's a bubble player it also may not be the best fit for her. Looking around might help you find something better. You'll never know without looking.

                                FWIW we were once caught completely off guard when one club we were with essentially didn't give offers to 2/3s of the team, including my kid who started every game and played almost every minute. It was a team that was doing well, good group of kids and parents. I don't know what they were thinking, but yeah almost an entire team scrambling. It was very stressful. My kid landed a good spot but not everyone did. From then on out I made sure to look around early spring and keep options open. You just never know because everything keeps changing every year. That team and the club started sliding into the gutter after that as well....no pity for them.

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