ECNL Grade based?

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Thanks JD, hows them west ECNL teams in basement going.

Same training! Same exposure!! Same tuition!!! Worse team...

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Thanks JD, hows them west ECNL teams in basement going.

It's year 1 and the two branches have very different player pools. I'm not judging...yet. There are teams that have been together a long time and are perennial basement dwellers.

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ECNL isn't concerned. They're doing just fine while GDA crumbles from within. Overall participation in soccer is down, but not at the higher levels.

Which means that kids that previously would have been playing at lower level are now playing at "higher" level. go watch this "higher" level and you will see.

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Which means that kids that previously would have been playing at lower level are now playing at "higher" level. go watch this "higher" level and you will see.

Same is true with GDA. The entire landscape is diluted and a pyramid based on skill does not exist

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Which means that kids that previously would have been playing at lower level are now playing at "higher" level. go watch this "higher" level and you will see.

Club trying to save face from offering too many "elite" spots the previous season(DA,ECNL,NPL). Selling a product to the masses. It will return to a true A, B, C within a year. 3 teams worth of players for only two teams. Those Bs are Bs for a reason just aren't the best.

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Is it happening or are these just rumors.

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Not happening

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It’s not happening. Which is good for my late year daughter who has the upper hand.

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My dd’s current ‘01/00 Ecnl team:
9 seniors and 10 juniors
The ‘02 Ecnl team:
12 juniors and 7 sophomores
The ‘03 Ecnl team:
14 sophomores and 5 freshmen
The ‘04 Ecnl team:
14 Freshmen and 5 8th graders
The 05 Ecnl team:
15 8th graders and 4 7th graders

So, if they switch to HS Grad Year age groups for 2019-20 season:
‘01 senior based team = 20(8 +12 current juniors who will all be seniors next year)
‘02 junior based team = 21 (7 + 14 current sophomores)
‘03 soph. based team = 19 (5 + 14 current freshmen)
‘04 fresh based team. = 20 (5 + 15 current 8th graders)


If they stay birth year, the 01s & 02s have to combine because they will only have 10 birth year ‘01s left:
‘01/02 team = 33 players (12 + 21 =33 = 10 ‘01 seniors left over +entire current ‘02 team. The will have to play u19 instead of u18 because of 01s).
33 players won’t work for one team so 12-13 players will have to be cut. Makes ZERO sense to cut 12 or 13 players when no player need be cut if they simply switched to HS Grade based age groups.
Graduation based age groups is by far the best because you don’t have to cut 12/13 players! Sure hope Ecnl goes HS Grad Year next year so 12 to 13 players don’t have to be cut from my daughter’s team.
If ECNL doesn’t see the writing on the wall and switch teams to graduation year, every current ECNL 02 team has to merge with the remaining 01s. Only 2 choices then: 1)Cut 10-12 players on average (who may have been playing ecnl for years) or have a team with 30+ players, and fewer showcases for u18/u19 teams to boot. If the ECNL clubs allow this to happen every year, they really don’t care about the players nor even their own business model.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
My dd’s current ‘01/00 Ecnl team:
9 seniors and 10 juniors
The ‘02 Ecnl team:
12 juniors and 7 sophomores
The ‘03 Ecnl team:
14 sophomores and 5 freshmen
The ‘04 Ecnl team:
14 Freshmen and 5 8th graders
The 05 Ecnl team:
15 8th graders and 4 7th graders

So, if they switch to HS Grad Year age groups for 2019-20 season:
‘01 senior based team = 20(8 +12 current juniors who will all be seniors next year)
‘02 junior based team = 21 (7 + 14 current sophomores)
‘03 soph. based team = 19 (5 + 14 current freshmen)
‘04 fresh based team. = 20 (5 + 15 current 8th graders)


If they stay birth year, the 01s & 02s have to combine because they will only have 10 birth year ‘01s left:
‘01/02 team = 33 players (12 + 21 =33 = 10 ‘01 seniors left over +entire current ‘02 team. The will have to play u19 instead of u18 because of 01s).
33 players won’t work for one team so 12-13 players will have to be cut. Makes ZERO sense to cut 12 or 13 players when no player need be cut if they simply switched to HS Grade based age groups.
Graduation based age groups is by far the best because you don’t have to cut 12/13 players! Sure hope Ecnl goes HS Grad Year next year so 12 to 13 players don’t have to be cut from my daughter’s team.
If ECNL doesn’t see the writing on the wall and switch teams to graduation year, every current ECNL 02 team has to merge with the remaining 01s. Only 2 choices then: 1)Cut 10-12 players on average (who may have been playing ecnl for years) or have a team with 30+ players, and fewer showcases for u18/u19 teams to boot. If the ECNL clubs allow this to happen every year, they really don’t care about the players nor even their own business model.

Interesting side note here is that the talked about eliminating the Relative Age Effect as part of the calendar year transition. Doesn't look like that's made any difference.

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Interesting side note here is that the talked about eliminating the Relative Age Effect as part of the calendar year transition. Doesn't look like that's made any difference.

RAE is something that takes years to see come to fruition. Besides, all the calendar year change did is move the timetable. It doesn't remove RAE. Putting players on an equal RAE playing field with international players is something that is only relevant for a handful of US players. Those players will excel in the US no matter when they were born. That's why the change was so stupid - change it for everyone when it impacts so few.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
My dd’s current ‘01/00 Ecnl team:
9 seniors and 10 juniors
The ‘02 Ecnl team:
12 juniors and 7 sophomores
The ‘03 Ecnl team:
14 sophomores and 5 freshmen
The ‘04 Ecnl team:
14 Freshmen and 5 8th graders
The 05 Ecnl team:
15 8th graders and 4 7th graders

So, if they switch to HS Grad Year age groups for 2019-20 season:
‘01 senior based team = 20(8 +12 current juniors who will all be seniors next year)
‘02 junior based team = 21 (7 + 14 current sophomores)
‘03 soph. based team = 19 (5 + 14 current freshmen)
‘04 fresh based team. = 20 (5 + 15 current 8th graders)


If they stay birth year, the 01s & 02s have to combine because they will only have 10 birth year ‘01s left:
‘01/02 team = 33 players (12 + 21 =33 = 10 ‘01 seniors left over +entire current ‘02 team. The will have to play u19 instead of u18 because of 01s).
33 players won’t work for one team so 12-13 players will have to be cut. Makes ZERO sense to cut 12 or 13 players when no player need be cut if they simply switched to HS Grade based age groups.
Graduation based age groups is by far the best because you don’t have to cut 12/13 players! Sure hope Ecnl goes HS Grad Year next year so 12 to 13 players don’t have to be cut from my daughter’s team.
If ECNL doesn’t see the writing on the wall and switch teams to graduation year, every current ECNL 02 team has to merge with the remaining 01s. Only 2 choices then: 1)Cut 10-12 players on average (who may have been playing ecnl for years) or have a team with 30+ players, and fewer showcases for u18/u19 teams to boot. If the ECNL clubs allow this to happen every year, they really don’t care about the players nor even their own business model.

they'll just add an extra team and call it west

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
My dd’s current ‘01/00 Ecnl team:
9 seniors and 10 juniors
The ‘02 Ecnl team:
12 juniors and 7 sophomores
The ‘03 Ecnl team:
14 sophomores and 5 freshmen
The ‘04 Ecnl team:
14 Freshmen and 5 8th graders
The 05 Ecnl team:
15 8th graders and 4 7th graders

So, if they switch to HS Grad Year age groups for 2019-20 season:
‘01 senior based team = 20(8 +12 current juniors who will all be seniors next year)
‘02 junior based team = 21 (7 + 14 current sophomores)
‘03 soph. based team = 19 (5 + 14 current freshmen)
‘04 fresh based team. = 20 (5 + 15 current 8th graders)


If they stay birth year, the 01s & 02s have to combine because they will only have 10 birth year ‘01s left:
‘01/02 team = 33 players (12 + 21 =33 = 10 ‘01 seniors left over +entire current ‘02 team. The will have to play u19 instead of u18 because of 01s).
33 players won’t work for one team so 12-13 players will have to be cut. Makes ZERO sense to cut 12 or 13 players when no player need be cut if they simply switched to HS Grade based age groups.
Graduation based age groups is by far the best because you don’t have to cut 12/13 players! Sure hope Ecnl goes HS Grad Year next year so 12 to 13 players don’t have to be cut from my daughter’s team.
If ECNL doesn’t see the writing on the wall and switch teams to graduation year, every current ECNL 02 team has to merge with the remaining 01s. Only 2 choices then: 1)Cut 10-12 players on average (who may have been playing ecnl for years) or have a team with 30+ players, and fewer showcases for u18/u19 teams to boot. If the ECNL clubs allow this to happen every year, they really don’t care about the players nor even their own business model.

I have sons and they are not ECNL, but as you know this affected everyone .... I just want to say that this (birth year nonsense) was the worse experiment ever!! Lol. To be clear, it actually worked out well for one of my boys as he benefitted greatly by the change (just due to makeup of the team itself) and yet I still think it was the worst experiment ever. What a mess for the college recruiting process, etc. Just awful.

Having said that, out of curiosity, can anyone come up with any reason why it has been better than grad year groupings? I'm really curious. By that, I already mentioned that it helped one of my sons from a team makeup, but taking that out of the equation -- in other words -- no individual reasons why it was better for your player, I am really curious whether there have been any pros to this little experiment in the larger picture.

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Only pro is if you have an end of the year kid who can hang with the kids a grad year earlier. If they can, they will look appealing to coaches

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RAE is something that takes years to see come to fruition. Besides, all the calendar year change did is move the timetable. It doesn't remove RAE. Putting players on an equal RAE playing field with international players is something that is only relevant for a handful of US players. Those players will excel in the US no matter when they were born. That's why the change was so stupid - change it for everyone when it impacts so few.

RAE is a fallacy. It doesn’t matter what 12 month period you select, the effect is the same. The bozos at USSF are simply that - bozos. One of the stupidest things they have ever done, and that’s saying a lot.