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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    The old romantic vision of the "small club." We've tried the small club, the medium club and the big club. You can make sweeping generalizations about each of them. They each have their potential strengths and weaknesses but if your kid has talent and is self-motivated to really play at higher levels, they should join a big club no later than 13 years old. Assuming the big club is well run, your kid will simply have more access to coaches, players, competition, leagues, college exposure, etc.

    The romantic notion that it only takes one coach and one player is just unrealistic. Our daughter found a fantastic coach at a small club when she 12 and she improved leaps and bounds in one season. Next season, his wife was transferred to Chicago and he was gone. His replacement - terrible. Plus, let's just assume that one coach is great at the small club. Is that coach going to stay with your kid's team for another 5-6 years until they graduate? Kids should have a different coach every couple of years of they are to improve.
    I don't see anywhere where is states explicitly "small clubs". It talks about development in "pockets". This can be large clubs OR small clubs. Also, discounting the small club can be a mistake. Many folks chasing the "DA and ECNL" fantasy thinking the just have to be in that system is silliness too. Many kids are perfectly capable of playing in those programs but decide against it for numerous valid reasons (multiple sports, wanting to play for High school teams and much more). If the kid can play, they absolutely DO NOT need to be in these "systems" to play in college if they are good enough and actually want to (focus on education first). They'll have to do a lot of extra things, but quite frankly the college coaches know that good athletes are everywhere and they also know that the club environments can be a really lousy judge of talent because of all kinds of very valid reasons. I'm sure you've seen many kids out there that are really good. Florida in general needs to get with the program and catch up

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I don't see anywhere where is states explicitly "small clubs". It talks about development in "pockets". This can be large clubs OR small clubs. Also, discounting the small club can be a mistake. Many folks chasing the "DA and ECNL" fantasy thinking the just have to be in that system is silliness too. Many kids are perfectly capable of playing in those programs but decide against it for numerous valid reasons (multiple sports, wanting to play for High school teams and much more). If the kid can play, they absolutely DO NOT need to be in these "systems" to play in college if they are good enough and actually want to (focus on education first). They'll have to do a lot of extra things, but quite frankly the college coaches know that good athletes are everywhere and they also know that the club environments can be a really lousy judge of talent because of all kinds of very valid reasons. I'm sure you've seen many kids out there that are really good. Florida in general needs to get with the program and catch up
      You need to read it closer. You don't see the phrase "small club" in his post? "If you find a great coach at some small club those can be some really great options. Your kid may go farther, be happier, learn more and actually reach their real their full potential, rather than get pushed into a system where they are just a number and quits because the environment is sub par"

      Plus, what the heck is a "pocket" in regard to youth soccer?

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        You need to read it closer. You don't see the phrase "small club" in his post? "If you find a great coach at some small club those can be some really great options. Your kid may go farther, be happier, learn more and actually reach their real their full potential, rather than get pushed into a system where they are just a number and quits because the environment is sub par"

        Plus, what the heck is a "pocket" in regard to youth soccer?
        Pockets to me means a few situations that work irregardless of the club.

        And it says “can be good options”. There is nothing explicit in that statement. You are reading too much into it and trying to spin it incorrectly

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          What do you do afterU14-u15? Go back to FYSA? Drive to FC prime? Or pay 70k to see if you can make IMG importing their kids from all over the country?
          Drive to Prime? Bwaaaaaaa. Any fool that would do that is a moron of epic proportions.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Pockets to me means a few situations that work irregardless of the club.

            And it says “can be good options”. There is nothing explicit in that statement. You are reading too much into it and trying to spin it incorrectly
            Uuuummmm...... talk about spin. OK, stay at Braden River.

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Uuuummmm...... talk about spin. OK, stay at Braden River.
              So you're saying that there aren't any situations anywhere in any part of the state unless you're at a club with ECNL and DA that can develop players to play in college? Really???

              Many players from B and C teams from many clubs get spots, and many times do amazing.

              It is absolutely untrue and dishonest to try to say that there aren't any great situations with great coaching that aren't with the mega grab clubs that everyone seems to be tossing around...

              Hell most of them have merged and unmerged so many times, that alone has a big impact on the product (or lack of one) that they put on the field. Most are poorly run money machines.

              FOMO is alive!

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                So you're saying that there aren't any situations anywhere in any part of the state unless you're at a club with ECNL and DA that can develop players to play in college? Really???

                Many players from B and C teams from many clubs get spots, and many times do amazing.

                It is absolutely untrue and dishonest to try to say that there aren't any great situations with great coaching that aren't with the mega grab clubs that everyone seems to be tossing around...

                Hell most of them have merged and unmerged so many times, that alone has a big impact on the product (or lack of one) that they put on the field. Most are poorly run money machines.

                FOMO is alive!
                "So you're saying that there aren't any situations anywhere in any part of the state unless you're at a club with ECNL and DA that can develop players to play in college? Really???"

                I don't think he/she said there "aren't any great situations...." but the point is that it will much more difficult and the likelihood of success a lot lower if your child is at a smaller club without access to higher leagues - despite how great your coach is.

                It is disingenuous to argue that the great player with the great coach will get enough exposure at the smaller club playing in lower level leagues to attract a good offer from a college. It's a very romantic story but not very realistic. Just get your kid positioned for their greatest likelihood of success.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  "So you're saying that there aren't any situations anywhere in any part of the state unless you're at a club with ECNL and DA that can develop players to play in college? Really???"

                  I don't think he/she said there "aren't any great situations...." but the point is that it will much more difficult and the likelihood of success a lot lower if your child is at a smaller club without access to higher leagues - despite how great your coach is.

                  It is disingenuous to argue that the great player with the great coach will get enough exposure at the smaller club playing in lower level leagues to attract a good offer from a college. It's a very romantic story but not very realistic. Just get your kid positioned for their greatest likelihood of success.
                  Absolutely untrue - happens everyday all throughout this country. And Florida is known by the college coaches for having poorly run clubs with ridiculous mergers, inconsistencies and not a lot of focus on player development. Nothing to do with "romance" - it is reality... Maybe you're at one of those big clubs and drank the kool aid that if you're not in ECNL or DA your kid will go nowhere? Guess again.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Absolutely untrue - happens everyday all throughout this country. And Florida is known by the college coaches for having poorly run clubs with ridiculous mergers, inconsistencies and not a lot of focus on player development. Nothing to do with "romance" - it is reality... Maybe you're at one of those big clubs and drank the kool aid that if you're not in ECNL or DA your kid will go nowhere? Guess again.
                    OK, I'll bite..... Let's take an example from the NFL - Ali Marpet with the Bucs. Check out his Bio below. He was drafted out of tiny Hobart College. So you could argue he was like that young soccer player at a small club that is not playing in the high end leagues. So yeah, lighting can strike and a player excels out of that situation. But look at his combine stats - he is an absolute freak of nature (and probably would have excelled in the SEC, ACC, Big 10, etc.). If you want to gamble that your kid can stay at the small club and emerge as the freak of nature then have it! But why gamble on it? If they have that much potential, get them to a bigger club with more options.

                    Alexander "Ali" Marpet is an American football guard for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers of the National Football League (NFL). Marpet played college football at Hobart College, a small liberal arts college with an enrollment of 2,271. In 2014, he was a Lindy's preseason All-American first team and Liberty League Co-Offensive Player of the Year. He attended the 2015 Senior Bowl, as the first NCAA Division III player picked to play in the all-star game. Sports Illustrated named Marpet the "biggest riser" at the game, and included him on its All-Offense team. At the Scouting Combine in February 2015, he ran the fastest 40-yard dash among offensive line prospects eligible for the 2015 NFL Draft (4.98), the fastest 10-yard (9.1 m) split (1.74 seconds), and also the second-best time in the three-cone drill (7.33) and 20-yard shuttle (4.47), while scoring the highest "Speed, Power, Agility, Reaction and Quickness" (SPARQ) score. He also performed 30 repetitions at 225 pounds (102 kg) in the bench press, tied for fifth-best among offensive linemen.

                    Drafted in the second round, 61st overall, of the 2015 NFL draft by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Marpet is the highest-drafted pick in the history of NCAA Division III football and, as of the 2018 NFL Draft, remains the most recently drafted player from Division III.

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                      #40
                      Soccer is completely different than football from a recruiting stand point, and to take it further, if talking about women's soccer it's even more irrelevant. Stop with the koolaid talk and be pragmatic about things. Go talk to some college coaches. They will tell you how the clubs are perceived in Florida if you get one to be honest with you. If your kid is being coached well, works hard and has talent they'll get noticed irregardless of what club they play for and what program they are in. There's talent everywhere and many of the good athletes avoid the big clubs because they play multiple sports and all kids of other valid reasons. The colleges are keenly aware of this

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                        #41
                        Braden River has become IMGs bitch. They enable IMG to carry DA, and get nothing in return. Suckers

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Soccer is completely different than football from a recruiting stand point, and to take it further, if talking about women's soccer it's even more irrelevant. Stop with the koolaid talk and be pragmatic about things. Go talk to some college coaches. They will tell you how the clubs are perceived in Florida if you get one to be honest with you. If your kid is being coached well, works hard and has talent they'll get noticed irregardless of what club they play for and what program they are in. There's talent everywhere and many of the good athletes avoid the big clubs because they play multiple sports and all kids of other valid reasons. The colleges are keenly aware of this
                          Or you can just go to a club that has college coaches and ask them.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Or you can just go to a club that has college coaches and ask them.
                            You think a college coach that also works for a local Florida club is going to be honest with you about how Florida is perceived? LOL that's really funny

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              You think a college coach that also works for a local Florida club is going to be honest with you about how Florida is perceived? LOL that's really funny
                              What does it matter "how Florida is perceived?" You only have to care about how your kid is perceived. College coaches recruit players - not teams or clubs or entire states like Florida. If your kid has a future beyond club soccer, put them in a situation for maximum exposure to college coaches. If you think that's a small club on a team with a great coach playing CDL or FSPL - have at it!

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                What does it matter "how Florida is perceived?" You only have to care about how your kid is perceived. College coaches recruit players - not teams or clubs or entire states like Florida. If your kid has a future beyond club soccer, put them in a situation for maximum exposure to college coaches. If you think that's a small club on a team with a great coach playing CDL or FSPL - have at it!
                                All those "leagues" you mention and also including DA and ECNL are rec soccer - until money changes hands it's all rec soccer. The illusion of those "tags" and the clubs that really don't develop players are the root of the problem. It's very rare that players get "true" development at almost ALL clubs. Most clubs try everything humanly possible to win games so they can attract the parents that buy-in to the fantasy. This is done to the detriment of the player so the club can keep the money rolling in and keep parents on the hook with the college carrot. Don't fall into the trap

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