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    Buyer Beware of For-Profit Soccer Providers

    NSC looks to be folding. There players can't transfer to another club under OYSA rules, which seems really unfair to the players whose families have paid their dues.

    Probably should be some buyer beware of these fly-by-night clubs propping up. A number of them are for profits, lack fields, lack depth in coaching (maybe 1 entrepreneur at the top of the heap), lack a community.

    Strong on sales though.

    So what else could go wrong?

    -It is an entirely different thing to be a good trainer than to be a good coach. Trainers can focus on a couple of players and couple aspects of their game; coach needs to make the whole thing work and has a very different relationship with parents.

    -Serving as a DOC is a very different role than serving as a coach. You spend much more of your time with adults than children, have substantial management responsibilities, and often have financial stewardship responsibilities.

    -For-profit soccer providers are created to generate profit for the founder. 501(c)(3) clubs are created to serve a community purpose.

    -They often lack fields. They can piece together fields for a couple of teams; with each additional team this gets much harder to do.

    -The lack deep age-groups. Can lead to players being placed in completely inappropriate playing levels.

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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    NSC looks to be folding. Their players can't transfer to another club under OYSA rules, which seems really unfair to the players whose families have paid their dues.

    Probably should be some buyer beware of these fly-by-night clubs propping up. A number of them are for profits, lack fields, lack depth in coaching (maybe 1 entrepreneur at the top of the heap), lack a community.

    Strong on sales though.

    So what else could go wrong?

    -It is an entirely different thing to be a good trainer than to be a good coach. Trainers can focus on a couple of players and couple aspects of their game; coach needs to make the whole thing work and has a very different relationship with parents.

    -Serving as a DOC is a very different role than serving as a coach. You spend much more of your time with adults than children, have substantial management responsibilities, and often have financial stewardship responsibilities.

    -For-profit soccer providers are created to generate profit for the founder. 501(c)(3) clubs are created to serve a community purpose.

    -They often lack fields. They can piece together fields for a couple of teams; with each additional team this gets much harder to do.

    -They lack deep age-groups. Can lead to players being placed in completely inappropriate playing levels.
    corrected typos

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      NSC looks to be folding. There players can't transfer to another club under OYSA rules, which seems really unfair to the players whose families have paid their dues.

      Probably should be some buyer beware of these fly-by-night clubs propping up. A number of them are for profits, lack fields, lack depth in coaching (maybe 1 entrepreneur at the top of the heap), lack a community.

      Strong on sales though.

      So what else could go wrong?

      -It is an entirely different thing to be a good trainer than to be a good coach. Trainers can focus on a couple of players and couple aspects of their game; coach needs to make the whole thing work and has a very different relationship with parents.

      -Serving as a DOC is a very different role than serving as a coach. You spend much more of your time with adults than children, have substantial management responsibilities, and often have financial stewardship responsibilities.

      -For-profit soccer providers are created to generate profit for the founder. 501(c)(3) clubs are created to serve a community purpose.

      -They often lack fields. They can piece together fields for a couple of teams; with each additional team this gets much harder to do.

      -The lack deep age-groups. Can lead to players being placed in completely inappropriate playing levels.
      You are clearly a coach from a competing club trying to crap on your competition. Maybe you need to look at why you keep losing your players to new clubs? Nothing wrong with healthy competition and choices for families.

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        #4
        The Portland Timbers have slipped into the middle of a bunch of non-profits and is making a rather large profit off youth soccer. That is money that could be used to advance soccer but instead is going to a for profit company.

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          #5
          how do you know NSC is folding? you keep posting this but won't elaborate. agenda much?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            corrected typos
            Players can transfer if released by the club. Happens all the time.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              You are clearly a coach from a competing club trying to crap on your competition. Maybe you need to look at why you keep losing your players to new clubs? Nothing wrong with healthy competition and choices for families.
              Some of these for profits are used car salesmen with foreign accents; here today, gone tomorrow.

              They leave messes behind for the families involved. Thus the buyer beware.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                how do you know NSC is folding? you keep posting this but won't elaborate. agenda much?
                Zero agenda - they owe OYSA (and I've heard Peregrine) $$$ and our not in good standing until it is fixed.

                Prevents their players from transferring out of the club until after state cup (which seems incredibly unfair).

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Zero agenda - they owe OYSA (and I've heard Peregrine) $$$ and our not in good standing until it is fixed.

                  Prevents their players from transferring out of the club until after state cup (which seems incredibly unfair).
                  Who is NSC and how do you know they owe money to Peregrine? Slanderous accusation. Sounds like you have a personal beef.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Who is NSC and how do you know they owe money to Peregrine? Slanderous accusation. Sounds like you have a personal beef.
                    It is public knowledge. Call Mike Smith and he will tell you.

                    Point of post wasn't really NSC; it is about the fly-by-night for profit clubs. They leave messes.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Who is NSC and how do you know they owe money to Peregrine? Slanderous accusation. Sounds like you have a personal beef.
                      NSC is a small classic club located in Aloha, founded by one Nic Heffernan, a HS coach and trainer from across the pond. (They also have a branch in Billings, MT). They've been around for about three years, and have fielded competitive teams at a few age groups, but are small (many of their teams are combined-age). Given that the large number of larger more established classic clubs in the neighborhood, I'm not sure what their value proposition is.

                      Their website is here: http://www.nscsoccer.com

                      I didn't write this article, and I have no idea whether they are either in financial trouble, or in bad standing with OYSA. (Why would they owe money to Peregrine? Peregrine acts as OYSA's subcontractor; clubs all deal with OYSA for league and cups, not with the Timbers/Thorns directly).

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        It is public knowledge. Call Mike Smith and he will tell you.

                        Point of post wasn't really NSC; it is about the fly-by-night for profit clubs. They leave messes.
                        Who is NSC and who are you calling "fly by night"?

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                          #13
                          Isn't NSC folding into Westside?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Isn't NSC folding into Westside?
                            Haven't heard that one. Given that the season is almost over, and NSC probably doesn't have any assets worth acquiring, not sure why WST (or any other club) would be interested.

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                              #15
                              What happened to Spartans?

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