What are the dates tryouts this May?

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****You can argue the same for Club soccer. It's politics in some way or form any way you slice it.
Thought they take up to 30 per team, but could be wrong. Their fee is 500 for the year which is a deep discount to Club's who rape you for 3k plus a year.

Rape? Honestly **** off dude.

A couple of DOCs in this town make a good living; a handfull of other folks make a living wage. Noone else in the clubs make a living wage off of soccer.

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The only clubs charging $3k plus in tuition are Crossfire and FC Portland for ECNL league and it's a rip off.

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Rape? Honestly **** off dude.

A couple of DOCs in this town make a good living; a handfull of other folks make a living wage. Noone else in the clubs make a living wage off of soccer.

4-5 make $100+
1 makes $180+
6-7 make $80+

Doesn't include college coaches

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under 2k is great value for a year-round program. 60-100 practices/year, 25+ games. at $1800 that's well under $20/hr

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4-5 make $100+
1 makes $180+
6-7 make $80+

Doesn't include college coaches

1/4 of the folks above are at PCU and they provide a number of other services to other non-profits (a separate discussion is whether that is good, bad or indifferent).

Clubs are 501(c)(3)s all working to serve their mission. Only ones raping youth soccer in this State are the Timbers.

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You are over the line. Sounds like someone is on tilt. 🚨

Timbers DA have no experienced soccer coaches with any sort of track record of producing future pros that came for the Portland Market or even and record of coaching Oregon club teams to any type of achievement or distinction, that's not even a discussion point, it's a fact.

Anyone involved with the Timbers efforts in youth soccer is not only on tilt, in just 5 years this poorly designed and executed program has been the most damaging force to the health and well being of Oregon Youth Soccer period.

Trying to create two DA youth teams (u16 & u18) as potential feeders for the first team regulars on the MLS Timbers International squad, is not only disingenuous & bizarre it's patently comical and has no linkage to the first team, let alone reality.Look at these young inexperienced coaches who are so unqualified and in over their heads they devote all their efforts into private training just to make a living. Timbers need an infrastructure of course, implementing the model as it stands today is really just an exercise in the absurd.

Hopefully the MLS can appreciate the challenges a market like Portland faces in this structure and allows the Timbers to fold up this endeavor and get back to the business of making money, not burning it.

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Timbers DA have no experienced soccer coaches with any sort of track record of producing future pros that came for the Portland Market or even and record of coaching Oregon club teams to any type of achievement or distinction, that's not even a discussion point, it's a fact.

Anyone involved with the Timbers efforts in youth soccer is not only on tilt, in just 5 years this poorly designed and executed program has been the most damaging force to the health and well being of Oregon Youth Soccer period.

Trying to create two DA youth teams (u16 & u18) as potential feeders for the first team regulars on the MLS Timbers International squad, is not only disingenuous & bizarre it's patently comical and has no linkage to the first team, let alone reality.Look at these young inexperienced coaches who are so unqualified and in over their heads they devote all their efforts into private training just to make a living. Timbers need an infrastructure of course, implementing the model as it stands today is really just an exercise in the absurd.

Hopefully the MLS can appreciate the challenges a market like Portland faces in this structure and allows the Timbers to fold up this endeavor and get back to the business of making money, not burning it.

So, your answer is give up and don't try to produce quality players? I don't think you know a whole of what is going on at the DA and an attitude of you have not done it yet so you will never do it, is very negative and if we all followed that nothing would ever get done.

What is your probable with the Timbers trying to produce homegrown players? Youth professional programs around the world consider 1 kid making the first team every couple of years a success. Somehow you think thats not good enough here.

So, what is your answer? this kids should go back to club soccer and play in High School? The majority of High School coaches are not qualified to develop anything. That can't be your answer. So enlighten us with what should be done

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So, your answer is give up and don't try to produce quality players? I don't think you know a whole of what is going on at the DA and an attitude of you have not done it yet so you will never do it, is very negative and if we all followed that nothing would ever get done.

What is your probable with the Timbers trying to produce homegrown players? Youth professional programs around the world consider 1 kid making the first team every couple of years a success. Somehow you think thats not good enough here.

So, what is your answer? this kids should go back to club soccer and play in High School? The majority of High School coaches are not qualified to develop anything. That can't be your answer. So enlighten us with what should be done

Not OP, but some thoughts:

-1 home grown player every few years is a very low standard/goal. It is not like MLS is a top league. Timbers should be shooting to have a couple of starters on the team as homegrown.

-Timbers did it on the cheap. They hired young inexperienced DA coaches. Instead of doing the young DA under their banner they pushed it off of to their alliance cubs, which are stuck in pay-to-play.

-They pursued $$$s in youth soccer (take over of OYSA, alliance, ODP) instead of focusing on development. Very hard to do both simultaneously.

-In the process they have alienated every non-alliance club in the city. The long shadow of an MLS franchise is always going to ruffle some feathers, but the BS they have pulled with the leagues has created lasting damage. Instead of automatically referring players over to DA, you may see some clubs recommending to players another way.

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So, your answer is give up and don't try to produce quality players? I don't think you know a whole of what is going on at the DA and an attitude of you have not done it yet so you will never do it, is very negative and if we all followed that nothing would ever get done.

What is your probable with the Timbers trying to produce homegrown players? Youth professional programs around the world consider 1 kid making the first team every couple of years a success. Somehow you think thats not good enough here.

So, what is your answer? this kids should go back to club soccer and play in High School? The majority of High School coaches are not qualified to develop anything. That can't be your answer. So enlighten us with what should be done

What you don't know, is what actually hurts your perspective. So be it.


1) The Timbers themselves have given up on the Portland market and have imported nearly 20 kids this year who are 2nd rung in their marketplaces as filler for the current DA squads. Due to the low standard of locals available.

2) Prior to the DA in 2012 the local clubs were actually producing high value MLS pros.
Nothing since.

3) This structure was not the brain child of the MLS Timbers franchisee, the MLS made them do it. Square peg round hole.

Solution see REAL SALT LAKE AZ (Academy model)


Next.

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What you don't know, is what actually hurts your perspective. So be it.


1) The Timbers themselves have given up on the Portland market and have imported nearly 20 kids this year who are 2nd rung in their marketplaces as filler for the current DA squads. Due to the low standard of locals available.

2) Prior to the DA in 2012 the local clubs were actually producing high value MLS pros.
Nothing since.

3) This structure was not the brain child of the MLS Timbers franchisee, the MLS made them do it. Square peg round hole.

Solution see REAL SALT LAKE AZ (Academy model)


Next.

Assuming #1 and #2 are both true--is the problem that the DA does a poor job, or the problem is the local clubs aren't up to snuff in producing talent? Does the DA have standards which are too high? And where are the Timbers allegedly importing talent from? Neither ID nor NM aren't hotbeds of soccer talent; other states are the territory of other MLS teams.

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Assuming #1 and #2 are both true--is the problem that the DA does a poor job, or the problem is the local clubs aren't up to snuff in producing talent? Does the DA have standards which are too high? And where are the Timbers allegedly importing talent from? Neither ID nor NM aren't hotbeds of soccer talent; other states are the territory of other MLS teams.

Don't know, but prior to 2012 (Timbers entering youth club) local clubs were doing just fine in producing pros and in fact punched above its weight.

There is an article around somewhere on this forum analyzing production of pros by state, and Oregon trailed only Washington on a per capita basis PRIOR TO MLS Timbers.

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Assuming #1 and #2 are both true--is the problem that the DA does a poor job, or the problem is the local clubs aren't up to snuff in producing talent? Does the DA have standards which are too high? And where are the Timbers allegedly importing talent from? Neither ID nor NM aren't hotbeds of soccer talent; other states are the territory of other MLS teams.

I've heard some players have been imported from Florida, and even parts of Africa. That's what I've heard, not speaking factually.

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Why are DA tryouts weeks after club tryouts?

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4-5 make $100+
1 makes $180+
6-7 make $80+

Doesn't include college coaches

Incredible. Just incredible.

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The only clubs charging $3k plus in tuition are Crossfire and FC Portland for ECNL league and it's a rip off.

Crossfire Oregon is 3k?