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You missed the point again, BTNT. I endorsed FSU and Tennessee as great choices and more appropriate fits in terms of targeting and "big fish" syndrome than dear ol Duke. As for us, we're good. Very, very pleased with our choices in every regard. Thanks for asking.

The reason one college athletic program is better than another essentially comes down to the amount of funding it receives. If Messiah, William Smith, Hardin-Simmons, Rowan and Williams are spending 10x what the schools they compete against are is their athletic success all that impressive?

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The reason one college athletic program is better than another essentially comes down to the amount of funding it receives. If Messiah, William Smith, Hardin-Simmons, Rowan and Williams are spending 10x what the schools they compete against are is their athletic success all that impressive?

Wow, you are really reaching, BTNT. You mean why Duke bball is better than Western Carolina? Or UK better than Northern Kentucky? When is what your saying ever not true? And it is actually at D3 where the differences are far less, and in terms of who they actually play very similar. Now you're attacking D3 schools based on getting TOO MUCH support?

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Wow, you are really reaching, BTNT. You mean why Duke bball is better than Western Carolina? Or UK better than Northern Kentucky? When is what your saying ever not true? And it is actually at D3 where the differences are far less, and in terms of who they actually play very similar. Now you're attacking D3 schools based on getting TOO MUCH support?

Sports are a business even at the D3 level. There is anything particularly more noble about what is going on at this level than what is going on at the P5 level in D1. When schools spend money they expect results.

Why Is (D3) Augustana Recruiting My Benchwarming Son to Play College Football?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bobcook.../#51063a845847

This article speaks to how D3 schools are utilizing athletics and why they are recruiting athletes. Some here should let this article sink in a bit.

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Here is the top D3 women's soccer programs over the past 9 years ranked according to the number of appearances in the Top 25, the number of NCAA titles, the number of appearances in the Top 10 and the number of appearances in the Top 5

Program - Titles - T 25 - T10 - T5
Messiah - 3 - 10 - 10 - 9
William Smith - 1 - 10 - 8 - 6
Hardin-Simmons - 1 - 10 - 6 - 3
Rowan - 0 - 10 - 6 - 2
Williams - 3 - 9 - 7 - 4
Washington U - 1 - 9 - 8 - 5
*****burg - 1 - 9 - 3 - 1
Johns Hopkins - 0 - 9 - 7 - 3
Wheaton (Ill) - 0 - 9 - 6 - 3
Middlebury - 0 - 7 - 2 - 2
Pomona-Pitzer - 0 - 7 - 4 - 1
Emory - 0 - 7 - 3 - 1
Illinois Wesleyan - 0 - 7 - 2 - 1
Amherst - 0 - 6 - 1 - 1
Centre - 0 - 6 - 1 - 1
Loras - 0 - 6 - 1 - 0
Chicago - 0 - 5 - 3 - 2
Misericordia - 0 - 5 - 1 - 1
Randolph-Macon - 0 - 5 - 3 - 0
Rowan - 0 - 5 - 0 - 0
Ithaca - 0 - 4 - 3 - 1
MIT - 0 - 4 - 2 - 1
Carnegie Mellon - 0 - 4 - 5 - 0
Montclair State - 0 - 4 - 2 - 0
Stevens - 0 - 4 - 0 - 0
Ohio Northern - 0 - 4 - 0 - 0
UW-Whitewater - 0 - 4 - 0 - 0
Chris. Newport - 0 - 3 - 1 - 1
Wheaton (Mass) - 0 - 3 - 1 - 1
Brandeis - 0 - 3 - 1 - 0
Ohio Northern - 0 - 3 - 1 - 0
Aurora - 0 - 3 - 0 - 0
Calvin - 0 - 3 - 0 - 0
Hope - 0 - 3 - 0 - 0
Puget Sound - 0 - 3 - 0 - 0
Pomona-Pitzer - 0 - 2 - 1 - 1
Cal Lutheran - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0
Concordia-Moorhead - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0
Dickinson - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0
Oneonta State - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0
Roger Williams - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0
St. Thomas - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0
St. Thomas - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0
Wartburg - 0 - 2 - 0 - 0
Hanover - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1
Otterbein - 0 - 1 - 1 - 1
Capital - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0
Denison - 0 - 1 - 1 - 0
Augustana - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Carleton - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Case Western Reserve - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Christopher Newport - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Claremont-M-S - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
College of New Jersey - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Connecticut College - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Cortland State - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Eastern Connecticut - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Geneseo State - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Lake Forest - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
McDaniel - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Nazareth - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
New Jersey - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
New Paltz State - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Penn State-Berks - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Randolph-Macon - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Redlands - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Scranton - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Pomona-Pitzer - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Scranton - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
UW-Stevens Point - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Virginia Wesleyan - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0
Washington and Lee - 0 - 1 - 0 - 0

I'm sorry am I missing something? With all the hype about academics and the NESCACs I would have expected to see more than 4 of the 11 schools cracking the top 25 occasionally. The way some carry on here you would think that conference was the ACC. When you look at the top D3 soccer programs there are only two schools in the top 10 that are noteworthy academic institutions (Williams and Washington U) and 2 that are in the top 50 of the academic rankings. The rest are all ranked in the hundreds and above. At least in the D1 rankings some of the top 10 programs are actually top academic schools as well.

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Sorry you are disappointed, BTNT. Maybe now you can finally move on and focus on D1 athletics. How is Duke looking for next year? Is there any chance your kid will play in a Final Four? Is she going back next year, or is she done? Is Europe next?

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Sorry you are disappointed, BTNT. Maybe now you can finally move on and focus on D1 athletics. How is Duke looking for next year? Is there any chance your kid will play in a Final Four? Is she going back next year, or is she done? Is Europe next?

Got to love this site. There's finally a reasonable discussion about D3 soccer rankings in a D3 thread and all some apparently want to do is talk about D1 soccer. Go figure.

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1 Messiah #291
2 William Smith #190
3 Hardin-Simmons #350
4 Rowan #361
5 Williams #19
6 Washington U #31
7 *****burg #NA
8 Johns Hopkins #22
9 Wheaton (Ill) #122
10 Middlebury #36
11 Pomona-Pitzer #12
12 Emory #55
13 Illinois Wesleyan #233
14 Amherst #28
15 Centre #209
16 Loras #NA
17 Chicago #16
18 Misericordia #NR
19 Randolph-Macon #575
20 Rowan #361
21 Ithaca #243
22 MIT #4
23 Carnegie Mellon #37
24 Montclair State #422
25 Stevens #152

So much for this idea that you have to go to D3 to find top academics with top soccer.

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1 Stanford #2
2 North Carolina #45
3 Virginia #33
4 BYU #95
5 South Carolina #201
6 Florida State #151
7 UCLA #38
8 Arkansas #271
9 USC #30
10 Wisconsin #69
11 Kansas #260
12 Duke #9
13 Oklahoma State #358
14 Memphis #640
15 Texas Tech #311
16 Brown #7
17 South Florida #228
18 Penn State #117
19 Michigan #20
20 Santa Clara #51
21 Rutgers #123
22 Texas A&M #103
23 Louisville #431
24 Xavier #325
25 Georgetown #15

https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#1f7378a21987

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1 Messiah #291
2 William Smith #190
3 Hardin-Simmons #350
4 Rowan #361
5 Williams #19
6 Washington U #31
7 *****burg #NA
8 Johns Hopkins #22
9 Wheaton (Ill) #122
10 Middlebury #36
11 Pomona-Pitzer #12
12 Emory #55
13 Illinois Wesleyan #233
14 Amherst #28
15 Centre #209
16 Loras #NA
17 Chicago #16
18 Misericordia #NR
19 Randolph-Macon #575
20 Rowan #361
21 Ithaca #243
22 MIT #4
23 Carnegie Mellon #37
24 Montclair State #422
25 Stevens #152

So much for this idea that you have to go to D3 to find top academics with top soccer.

That was always your claim about what others think...always comes from you. Hero sports? Now Forbes? How about we use rankings that correctly place types of schools...like USNWR. Or do those rankings not fit your agenda?

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Got to love this site. There's finally a reasonable discussion about D3 soccer rankings in a D3 thread and all some apparently want to do is talk about D1 soccer. Go figure.

Yeah, it must rankle BTNT that there is basically zero discussion about D1 on the site. Of course he could have done something about it. His loves D3 so much he just can't help himself. Have another extra large pepperoni.

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I think BTDT's FDU/MCLA kid went to a tiny Christian school, so Messiah might have been a good fit. Wonder if she would have ever seen the field there. And these rankings show you don't have to go to a top end academic D3 to get a good soccer program. There is William Smith staring him right in the face. And *****burg, Ithaca, etc.

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1 Messiah #291
2 William Smith #190
3 Hardin-Simmons #350
4 Rowan #361
5 Williams #19
6 Washington U #31
7 *****burg #NA
8 Johns Hopkins #22
9 Wheaton (Ill) #122
10 Middlebury #36
11 Pomona-Pitzer #12
12 Emory #55
13 Illinois Wesleyan #233
14 Amherst #28
15 Centre #209
16 Loras #NA
17 Chicago #16
18 Misericordia #NR
19 Randolph-Macon #575
20 Rowan #361
21 Ithaca #243
22 MIT #4
23 Carnegie Mellon #37
24 Montclair State #422
25 Stevens #152

So much for this idea that you have to go to D3 to find top academics with top soccer.

What are these numbers? I can show you others that are very different and many of those schools much higher ranked.

The hilarity is most would be thrilled to have their kids go to Hopkins, MIT, Chicago, Carnegie, Emory, Pomona, Wash U, Amherst and a few others on those lists. Getting an education there plus solid soccer? Lottery win. It's just those who think D1 is the only soccer of merit yet forget D1 also has schools like Iona, Southern IL, GA Southern, Western MI, Middle TN...not exactly academic powerhouses either are they?

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No RPI. D3 playoff brackets would be one way to look at the better programs.

This site has rankings by division, I think you can search historically on it also.

https://www.d3soccer.com/landing/index

https://www.masseyratings.com/csocw/ncaa-d3/ratings

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What are these numbers? I can show you others that are very different and many of those schools much higher ranked.

The hilarity is most would be thrilled to have their kids go to Hopkins, MIT, Chicago, Carnegie, Emory, Pomona, Wash U, Amherst and a few others on those lists. Getting an education there plus solid soccer? Lottery win. It's just those who think D1 is the only soccer of merit yet forget D1 also has schools like Iona, Southern IL, GA Southern, Western MI, Middle TN...not exactly academic powerhouses either are they?

Forbes

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What value is there to D1 if a kid never plays. Take the local goalie in her second year at Duke. In two years, she has played 10 minutes. Is she banking on getting on the field her senior year?