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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Crikey. T-S was boring enough when we had to listen to the ECNL snobs, especially the Stars shills, drone on about their superiority. Now with MPS and NEFC's "historic" SC weekend we're gonna get a whole new set of blustering windbags, professing two "equal" paths....er... sorry......... two equal ROUTES. It's gonna be a long year.
    That whole two equal paths thing was started by the ECNL crowd last year to explain why people should jump to their way of doing things. When you think about it now it looks like that whole logic was pretty screwed up because the ECNL is clearly nothing more than a long detour to nowhere.

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      #17
      What are your daughter's goals? For the most part these ECNL teams are stocked with players that will more than likely wind up with D1 scholarship offers, especially at the older age groups. You can be a second teamer and still be surrounded by really good players and coaches. They seem to do very well.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        What are your daughter's goals? For the most part these ECNL teams are stocked with players that will more than likely wind up with D1 scholarship offers, especially at the older age groups. You can be a second teamer and still be surrounded by really good players and coaches. They seem to do very well.
        ha ha ha, yes they do real well but reality is d1 scholarships are on avg. no more than 40% of the tuition of the first year. So going to a 60k a year school, paying 7k a year in ECNL team costs, to save 25k sounds like you really didn't save a dime.

        If your child makes it to a D1 school it has allot to do with their other things. Grades, SAT scores, alumni, etc... you wind bags keep saying ECNL = D1 but reality is the kids would of gone there anyway.

        The original Propoganda was ECNL would equal better US National players. While they have recruited several of the existing US National players it has yet to develop it's own prodigy.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          What are your daughter's goals? For the most part these ECNL teams are stocked with players that will more than likely wind up with D1 scholarship offers, especially at the older age groups. You can be a second teamer and still be surrounded by really good players and coaches. They seem to do very well.
          Completely false statement for any team under U16.

          If you think that simply playing in a "special" league will get your child a scholarship, you get what you deserve.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            For the most part these ECNL teams are stocked with players that will more than likely wind up with D1 scholarship offers.
            D1 ? Yes. Most of the better players on the better teams end up at D1 schools.

            D1 Scholarship offers ? No. They are few and far between. Loans, financial aid packages etc -yes.

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              #21
              It's funny that so many people are willing to debate this topic when so few (percentage-wise) actually make the ECNL rosters. Either that or it's the same people going round and round in this fight.

              If your child is destined for greatness in soccer (meaning she has the talent, drive, and love of the game), and you are supporting her efforts, giving her the opportunities she needs to excel, ECNL or no ECNL, she will be successful.

              If she is not successful in soccer it wasn't meant to be. 26 spots exist for ECNL in each age group for Stars and Scorpions. Highly unlikely that more than a handful are even open at tryouts as the rosters don't change that much.

              Investing in ECNL is not always a best-case ROI scenario, but it can be. Your daughter has to be there for the love of the game, the level of competition, and a true interest in seeing what the rest of the soccer world looks like in this country. It may or may not be the best investment for some. Which is why, in my book, the clubs that offer excellent coaching at both their ECNL AND second team levels, are the ones people should be flocking to.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Completely false statement for any team under U16.

                If you think that simply playing in a "special" league will get your child a scholarship, you get what you deserve.
                I don't think that but the strength of some of those Stars teams suggest that it's been one heck of a draw whether you agree with it or not, and whether you like it or not, and note that the statement was qualified with (especially at older age groups).

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I don't think that but the strength of some of those Stars teams suggest that it's been one heck of a draw whether you agree with it or not, and whether you like it or not, and note that the statement was qualified with (especially at older age groups).
                  The world of youth soccer has changed dramtically over the last two years and the forces that created those older Stars teams no longer actually exist. If your child is a U17 or older they had much fewer options and basically were forced in the direction of the team that could recruit the strongest base of players. Once that team started to standout and winning things like state cups it was virtually impossible for other teams to catch them and since the state cup path was really the only game in town and everyone had to go through them to get anything else done they could sustain a virtual lock on the top talent in the state. The scenario the younger players face is completely different because there are now so many choices that can go in a bunch of different directions. That is why you have these threads about the younger age groups exploding like they have because the landscape has completely changed and as much as some people want to claim there is, there really isn't any clear cut "best" way to go about things any longer. Now it is all about finding the right fit and that is completely subjective. So if you really understand what is going on at the younger ages then you will know that what a club's older teams did to establish themselves are nowhere near relavant today.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    there really isn't any clear cut "best" way to go about things any longer. Now it is all about finding the right fit and that is completely subjective.
                    Sounds like several routes to the same thing. Pretty sure others have said this and were frantically put down.

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                      #25
                      Agreed. Same with DAP. There are tons of teams equal or better playing Maple, Super Y, NEP, or egads, town soccer. Find a fit, and if your child is good enough, the coaches will find them.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Agreed. Same with DAP. There are tons of teams equal or better playing Maple, Super Y, NEP, or egads, town soccer. Find a fit, and if your child is good enough, the coaches will find them.
                        Don't know how "tons of teams" could possibly be "equal or better" to teams in any very selective league--unless Mass. is the Lake Wobegon of youth soccer, where the vast majority of teams are above average. Of course, you weren't really agreeing with the previous poster.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Don't know how "tons of teams" could possibly be "equal or better" to teams in any very selective league--unless Mass. is the Lake Wobegon of youth soccer, where the vast majority of teams are above average. Of course, you weren't really agreeing with the previous poster.
                          Why not agree? The logic is impeccable. Right?

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            It's funny that so many people are willing to debate this topic when so few (percentage-wise) actually make the ECNL rosters. Either that or it's the same people going round and round in this fight.

                            If your child is destined for greatness in soccer (meaning she has the talent, drive, and love of the game), and you are supporting her efforts, giving her the opportunities she needs to excel, ECNL or no ECNL, she will be successful.

                            If she is not successful in soccer it wasn't meant to be. 26 spots exist for ECNL in each age group for Stars and Scorpions. Highly unlikely that more than a handful are even open at tryouts as the rosters don't change that much.

                            Investing in ECNL is not always a best-case ROI scenario, but it can be. Your daughter has to be there for the love of the game, the level of competition, and a true interest in seeing what the rest of the soccer world looks like in this country. It may or may not be the best investment for some. Which is why, in my book, the clubs that offer excellent coaching at both their ECNL AND second team levels, are the ones people should be flocking to.
                            Total crap. Blatant lies. Please do not believe this marketing hype.

                            NEFC, MPS and AZTEC are all far, far better than any number two team at Stars. And each of these clubs top teams get you to the big world of soccer in this country going to Vegas, Disney, PDA, Jefferson, etc.

                            ECNL rosers at Scorpions do not change much and most of the minimal change is attrition of players that tire of the focus.

                            ECNL rosters at Stars is a virtual revolving door. Top team at Stars has typically over the years U14 to U18 turned over 50% of the team. The sole exception is the current U19 team which was really the first Stars big time team.

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                              #29
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                              Originally Posted by Unregistered
                              this is great in theory, but very difficult to accomplish. there are typically only a few players even close to ready to make the jump to the A team, and if the a team carries a full roster, these players are unlikely to be moved up anyway.

                              the only situation where i see this sort of work is when geography is the factor that keeps a player on a b squad. players train with their area stars west, scorps west or nefc regional team, and move to the a team for games. Quote

                              I disagree that there is that much disparity in talent in every case which is why destination club Second teams should be marketed as a separate path (region1,etc) versus a significantly inferior path. Otherwise talented players (and there are some despite the B team status) will defect to nonECNL clubs simply because they can play on those clubs A teams immediately. (NEFC etc). Stars does a good job of keeping a few (but not all B teams competitive and provides them with the incentive to stay where they are despite the fact that they may never be called up. Scorpions, not do much. It would be interesting to hear how other states top contenders (PDA) handle their B teams. In order to truly grow a club you have to consistently produce top teams at every level so that each dominates their respective competitive venue and so that the negative connotation associated with being on the B team in these clubs is nearly nonexistent. This means college recruiting, coaching, etc are proven at these levels as well. When was the last time Stars or Scorpions or any of the top 3 for that matter put their second team names on the college commitment list. If the answer is never---that is sad, because there are likely a few in the ranks who have the talent to be there but are overlooked because of team label OR because the club is so caught up in the ECNL propaganda that they don't feel it necessary to highlight the achievements of those who do not play ECNL. Not every ECNL kid will get into D1 or D2 colleges and conversely not every B teamer will be denied the opportunity despite the team label.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Total crap. Blatant lies. Please do not believe this marketing hype.

                                NEFC, MPS and AZTEC are all far, far better than any number two team at Stars. And each of these clubs top teams get you to the big world of soccer in this country going to Vegas, Disney, PDA, Jefferson, etc.
                                Really? How about Stars 15s?

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