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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    It's pretty simple...really. WST gave Rubio an opportunity. He got exposure through WST and a European club is reaping the fruits of that labor. There are many cases like this world wide and that is why FIFA put in the rules that they did. WST should be compensated. No rocket science. Pay to play, not pay to play, who cares?! WST was involved in his development and the rules state they should be compensated. Black and white....no gray area!
    http://www.jetlaw.org/2014/06/20/gue...-on-the-table/

    There is absolutely grounds for contention.

    The part that rubs me the wrong way is clubs claiming their scholarship programs are "do-gooder" programs. Even to the point of requesting charitable donations to the "scholarship" fund.

    If there is the potential of them getting training payments back it is deceptive to call this charity. They are making an investment.

    If they want to call it charity then build loyalty and hope your player pays it back, but expect nothing from the clubs.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      It's pretty simple...really. WST gave Rubio an opportunity. He got exposure through WST and a European club is reaping the fruits of that labor. There are many cases like this world wide and that is why FIFA put in the rules that they did. WST should be compensated. No rocket science. Pay to play, not pay to play, who cares?! WST was involved in his development and the rules state they should be compensated. Black and white....no gray area!
      WST didn't give Rubio anything. It's absurd to say so. If any money goes to WST, they should divvy it up between all paying members during his time there.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        If player compensation fees applied here as in europe, the following could happen.

        1. Clubs would be more focused on development instead of recruitment/result/numbers standard that it Is now. Imagine if clubs didn't get paid until the player was successful rather than paid regardless if they are successful or not like it is now.

        2. More free to play opportunities.

        3. Development standard would be much better.

        4. Participation in Large costing leagues and overblown budgets would be reduced significantly.

        5. bad practices such as overblown rosters to keep costs down etc wouldn't exist as development would be thè top priority..

        6. Players would be sold after specific ages to high paying professional clubs.

        7. The numbers of premier soccer clubs would be drastically cut. Can't compete with clubs who make the best players rather than the best or most winning team.

        8. American soccer mom and crazy dad involvement would be gone. Again it wold be about development, not pleasing idiot parents who care about how winning feels to them instead of if it actually matters in their kids development.
        #1 recruitment would be even more cutthroat if you can make money off of enticing someone over to your club.
        #2 doubtful
        #7 would be fantastic
        #8 especially would bring out MORE parent craziness.

        still i agree clubs should be compensates by professional clubs.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          #1 recruitment would be even more cutthroat if you can make money off of enticing someone over to your club.
          #2 doubtful
          #7 would be fantastic
          #8 especially would bring out MORE parent craziness.

          still i agree clubs should be compensates by professional clubs.
          I think parents need to be compensated by professional clubs. They are the ones SPENDING thousands of dollars a year on their kid's soccer.

          Most of the time clubs are paid a participation fee, in the rare event of a scholarship it is really just a fee reduction that the club pays from other pools of income.

          To justify the club getting paid they would have to charge no fees, to anyone, maybe 1/10,000 will actually go pro and get a payment, but that would be their reality. The only reason this is even discussed now is the hope of making money off Rubio's back...I don't picture clubs being too eager to discuss this with regards to all the kids who don't make it.

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            #35
            Crossfire's Pursuit of Development Comp

            For Yedlin blocked by MLS

            **[FIFA] Article 21 states that solidarity is due for non-free player transfers to every club that held his registration until age 23. Yedlin will turn 22 on July 9.

            At first, the problem holding up the process was a mistake in Yedlin’s official player passport declaring that he only played two years for the club rather than the four he spent there between 2006 and 2010. (He also played for Emerald City SC and Northwest Nationals in the Seattle area before joining the Sounders academy.)

            According to Crossfire’s letter to the FIFA Executive Committee sent Monday, Major League Soccer became aware of the situation when Spurs reached out to University of Akron to initiate a similar payment. Akron alerted MLS, which contacted Tottenham.

            Spurs suddenly reversed course, refusing to pay Crossfire.

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              #36
              More Clubs Entering the Discussion

              Dallas Texans and Dempsey history addressed
              http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2015...exans-dempsey:

              "As you will imagine, having received a representation from MLS that U.S. law prohibited our paying training compensation or solidarity contributions, we agreed a package that would not involve the club in a breach of such law,” Fulham wrote to the Texans on Dec. 5, 2007. “In good faith, the club agreed the transfer compensation with MLS, all of which was to be paid to MLS.”

              Similarly, Tottenham wrote to Crossfire on May 15 that “inclusive of assumed solidarity contributions … we have been advised by MLS to remit payment of the full transfer fee [for Yedlin] directly to MLS
              .”

              ****
              After filing the complaint letter, we have learned of many unfortunate experiences other clubs have had in seeking training compensation and solidarity fees and have had USSF intimidate the club to drop the claim, sometimes to an extreme degree,” Reich said. “Quite a few clubs and well-known persons in the soccer world have sent us words of encouragement to not give up the fight and see this to the end.”

              ****

              *Like Crossfire, the Texans [SX - and Westside] regularly produce professional players. Some of their alumni include U.S. men's national team players Omar Gonzalez, Lee Nguyen, Greg Garza and Emerson Hyndman. Both clubs built their own field complexes and offer a number of scholarships for players outside their fee-free Development Academy teams. The Texans announced in June that pre-Academy teams would also be free beginning in 2015.

              The majority of youth clubs in the U.S. maintain nonprofit status. Stewart said training and solidarity fees would help reduce the burden on players’ families and incentivize continued player development
              .

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                #37
                Crossfire/Yedlin

                https://sports.vice.com/en_us/articl...esportstwitter

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                  #38
                  Good find! Wheels moving.

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                    #39
                    Greedy greedy WST. A club run by liars and cheats. Stay away!

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                      #40
                      What are you talking about?

                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Greedy greedy WST. A club run by liars and cheats. Stay away!
                      This article talks about the potential for Crossfire Premier to appear before FIFA. It mentions Texans (and Westside) as having players who later move on to professional careers.

                      Why try to create problems for one club? FC Portland, LO,and other youth clubs have had other players move on to professional soccer.As have colleges and universities. If FIFA rules that Crossfire is due compensation, as is Akron, then yes, clubs would be able to request just compensation for development.

                      The FIFA rules are in place to protect all youth and adult players worldwide.

                      It would be interesting to see if there will be any sanctions or penalties against any USSF, MLS club, and persons performing duties as representatives, if it can be proven that they knew about the FIFA rules.

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                        #41
                        Okay?

                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Greedy greedy WST. A club run by liars and cheats. Stay away!
                        Pretty strong hatred for some people. Why? What did they do to you and what does it have to do with this topic?

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Pretty strong hatred for some people. Why? What did they do to you and what does it have to do with this topic?
                          The truth hurts. WST is run by crooks and liars.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            The truth hurts. WST is run by crooks and liars.
                            They must have fired you for incompetence. So now you bash them on a public forum. Tom has trained you well.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              They must have fired you for incompetence. So now you bash them on a public forum. Tom has trained you well.
                              It's amusing that you want to blame Tom or THUSC. WST is not liked by other clubs because they are run by unscrupulous people. I mean.... Blame Tom or THUSC all you want. That doesn't change a thing.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                It's amusing that you want to blame Tom or THUSC. WST is not liked by other clubs because they are run by unscrupulous people. I mean.... Blame Tom or THUSC all you want. That doesn't change a thing.
                                Okay so what exactly is your beef? Who are the "unscrupulous people" that make you so angry? What did these people do to make you think them unfair or immoral? I mean, put it all in the context of the original subject matter. What do you personally
                                have to do with the topic?

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