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Its funny that people are dumb enough to think the women are fine when they are BOTH run by the same people. You are expecting me to believe that the same people have it right for women bit wrong for men ?


Look at teh makeup of the womens team...100 caps are the norm. Limited roster turnover and no longer feared by anyone.

US WNT are far from fine. Look at College soccer. Name the best players. Howe many are US eligible? Fleming? No. Castellanos ? No. we copuld go on. For all the $$ poured by parents and the USSF into the womens game, we are as stagnant as we have ever been. Still capping 30 + yr olds and banking on the likes of Rapinoe, Sauerbrunn, Lloyd, Long, Heath, Morgan, Press etc for 2019 . Poor performances at the U17 and U20 WC.

People analyze the WNT the same way they do club teams. Wins. They dont look at the competition or how we are getting there. Vs the better teams, the US record is not good in recent years. Australia, England, France Netherlands, Sweden, etc are all capable of beating the US and will if we dont start producing better players and letting them play.

The people running the teams from the HC on thru the TD re clueless on many levels and just becasue we have been bailed out by the RoW apathy does not mean we are doing it right.

Hold on a minute there, professor. The men’s and women’s side have similar structures at the top of the pyramid but nothing close to the same at the base. For starters, on the women’s side, everything is driven by the youth clubs unlike the men’s with the DAP. Secondly, the end game is different for the women. College is the destination for most, whereas on the men’s side, the number of college programs and scholarship $$$ just isn’t there. For the top men’s players, there are pro leagues, but the next tier down know where they stand or where they would stand, which drives them out of the DAP and occasionally to another sport altogether.

The USSF has made a mess out of the men’s side and is trying to do the same with the women’s. Hopefully they aren’t successful in their attempts at failure. You can make the argument that other countries are catching up, but a nearly 30 year run at or near the top of the heap isn’t a fluke. They should focus on fixing the men’s side and leave the women’s alone.

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Most of the billions spent is buy pay to play parents wanting some guy with a foreign accents to turn their kid in to Messi or Mia Hamm.

Money is from the parents not soccer fans. Therefore system is set up to serve that market not make professional who can play in the international level. If anything the ones that actual have the potential are held back to serve the pay to play machine.

Billions on billions spent in this sport in the US.

However and by whomever, still a giant chunk of
change.

Two huge road blocks to any progress coming
from the US in soccer.

First, college scholarships. Over 2,000 on the table
at the D1 level. Coaches can carve as the they like,
but they are on the table.

Choice is to go for the pro route and fight your way
up, or take the money and a degree.

This option does not exist in any other country
in the world.

Second, massive competition from competiting sports for
elite athletes.

NFL
MLB
NBA
Top 30 College Football
NHL
Top 30 College Basketball

The US has 6 of these major channels, and
de facto multiple minor channels.

No country in the world, even given our
comparative population size, has anything
close to this phenomenon.

USA Soccer today is not in this talent pipeline.

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Billions on billions spent in this sport in the US.

However and by whomever, still a giant chunk of
change.

Two huge road blocks to any progress coming
from the US in soccer.

First, college scholarships. Over 2,000 on the table
at the D1 level. Coaches can carve as the they like,
but they are on the table.

Choice is to go for the pro route and fight your way
up, or take the money and a degree.

This option does not exist in any other country
in the world.

Second, massive competition from competiting sports for
elite athletes.

NFL
MLB
NBA
Top 30 College Football
NHL
Top 30 College Basketball

The US has 6 of these major channels, and
de facto multiple minor channels.

No country in the world, even given our
comparative population size, has anything
close to this phenomenon.

USA Soccer today is not in this talent pipeline.

The fact that the US U17 team lost to England 34-1 nullifies your entire post.

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The fact that the US U17 team lost to England 34-1 nullifies your entire post.

not 34. 4-1.

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DA will save the day

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DA will save the day

They have onlybhad DA since they were 7. They need more DA (and cowbell)

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Hold on a minute there, professor. The men’s and women’s side have similar structures at the top of the pyramid but nothing close to the same at the base. For starters, on the women’s side, everything is driven by the youth clubs unlike the men’s with the DAP. Secondly, the end game is different for the women. College is the destination for most, whereas on the men’s side, the number of college programs and scholarship $$$ just isn’t there. For the top men’s players, there are pro leagues, but the next tier down know where they stand or where they would stand, which drives them out of the DAP and occasionally to another sport altogether.

The USSF has made a mess out of the men’s side and is trying to do the same with the women’s. Hopefully they aren’t successful in their attempts at failure. You can make the argument that other countries are catching up, but a nearly 30 year run at or near the top of the heap isn’t a fluke. They should focus on fixing the men’s side and leave the women’s alone.

I could not disagree more. As you rightly state, the USSF has no input on either until they get to DA age . At that point the influence they have on deelopment is limited. Ultimately parents wallets and Clubs are doing the ehavy lifting.

lets not overstate the USSF influence here. they are not picking the players or training the vast majority of these players. The tools tyhgey are given are largely formed already by Clubs once you get to International level which is what we are talking about.

At that point, the USSF IS involved in selecting managers, coaches and providing the infrastructure for the game. They set up the pay structure and do all the administration.

They have appointed pretty poor managers for both teams. The admin has been a disaster. The player selections are inconsistent and its had to figure out the direction.

The only difference between the men and women is that the US can still afford to do it the same way for now on the womens side becasue no one can compete with the sheer numbers. However the quality is not where it should be and that si really on the Clubs and the focus. College still allows more women to play far longer than other countries so we win by attrition. Not quality.

The leadership on the womens side is just as bad as the mens, just starting with a massive advantage

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I could not disagree more. As you rightly state, the USSF has no input on either until they get to DA age . At that point the influence they have on deelopment is limited. Ultimately parents wallets and Clubs are doing the ehavy lifting.

lets not overstate the USSF influence here. they are not picking the players or training the vast majority of these players. The tools tyhgey are given are largely formed already by Clubs once you get to International level which is what we are talking about.

At that point, the USSF IS involved in selecting managers, coaches and providing the infrastructure for the game. They set up the pay structure and do all the administration.

They have appointed pretty poor managers for both teams. The admin has been a disaster. The player selections are inconsistent and its had to figure out the direction.

The only difference between the men and women is that the US can still afford to do it the same way for now on the womens side becasue no one can compete with the sheer numbers. However the quality is not where it should be and that si really on the Clubs and the focus. College still allows more women to play far longer than other countries so we win by attrition. Not quality.

The leadership on the womens side is just as bad as the mens, just starting with a massive advantage

USSF is calling all of the shots on the boys side and this is the system they have created. Centralization if money collecting and brainstorming but no enforcement of thwir own policies out in the field. Its still heavily pay to play. Almost no difference from the bold guard but definitely worse results.

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I could not disagree more. As you rightly state, the USSF has no input on either until they get to DA age . At that point the influence they have on deelopment is limited. Ultimately parents wallets and Clubs are doing the ehavy lifting.

lets not overstate the USSF influence here. they are not picking the players or training the vast majority of these players. The tools tyhgey are given are largely formed already by Clubs once you get to International level which is what we are talking about.

At that point, the USSF IS involved in selecting managers, coaches and providing the infrastructure for the game. They set up the pay structure and do all the administration.

They have appointed pretty poor managers for both teams. The admin has been a disaster. The player selections are inconsistent and its had to figure out the direction.

The only difference between the men and women is that the US can still afford to do it the same way for now on the womens side becasue no one can compete with the sheer numbers. However the quality is not where it should be and that si really on the Clubs and the focus. College still allows more women to play far longer than other countries so we win by attrition. Not quality.

The leadership on the womens side is just as bad as the mens, just starting with a massive advantage

Agree that the admin and coaching is sub par on both the men’s and women’s side of US Soccer. Pay to play isn’t the issue. It’s the organization and people at the top that are the problem. No talented players get missed due to money. You’re high of you think an excellent player isn’t scholarshipped into any program they want. That’s just a US Soccer argument to try and justify their money and power grab. They need a residency program if they are serious about improving, but even then, there are too many options in the US. For jobs. Sports. Etc...We will never be top of the heap in soccer. Come to grips with that and your life will be better. Lol

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Agree that the admin and coaching is sub par on both the men’s and women’s side of US Soccer. Pay to play isn’t the issue. It’s the organization and people at the top that are the problem. No talented players get missed due to money. You’re high of you think an excellent player isn’t scholarshipped into any program they want. That’s just a US Soccer argument to try and justify their money and power grab. They need a residency program if they are serious about improving, but even then, there are too many options in the US. For jobs. Sports. Etc...We will never be top of the heap in soccer. Come to grips with that and your life will be better. Lol

There's been calls for residency for awhile now. It makes a ton of sense - players train together all the time, not just a few times a year; it broadens geographic reach; it takes pay to play clubs out of the picture and puts training square into the hands of a few top coaches and USSF.

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What’s most wrong with USMNT is that very few now play in Europe. In the early 200’s all of our top men played in Europe (McBride, Reyna, Howard, Dempsey, etc). Playing in MLS hurts our national team.

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What’s most wrong with USMNT is that very few now play in Europe. In the early 200’s all of our top men played in Europe (McBride, Reyna, Howard, Dempsey, etc). Playing in MLS hurts our national team.

Reality is MLS has raised the level of other Concacaf countries more than its hurt the US. Check out the leagues that the Concacaf players play in and they are either MLS, Liga Max or a domestic league. MLS is getting cheap labor from Concacaf and training them to brat and not fear the US players.

The real issue is the age of the US National team. 14 players over the age of 30 doesn't make for a great national team squad. Especially in the heat humidity and quick turnaround of the Hex. As it pertains to the US players coming back to the MLS, it's quite natural. One last big payday and they can raise their families in US or Canada

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Interesting. Same crew that sunk the WC qualifying

NBC Sports - ProSoccerTalk: USMNT name new interim head coach
http://soccer.nbcsports.com/2017/10/...im-head-coach/

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Interesting. Same crew that sunk the WC qualifying

NBC Sports - ProSoccerTalk: USMNT name new interim head coach
http://soccer.nbcsports.com/2017/10/...im-head-coach/

Here's hoping they put him in place for now because they plan a long and exhaustive search process and just needed a body. If he's up next and they keep current USSF staff the NT might as well be like the Titanic - at the bottom of the ocean

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Here's hoping they put him in place for now because they plan a long and exhaustive search process and just needed a body. If he's up next and they keep current USSF staff the NT might as well be like the Titanic - at the bottom of the ocean

That and Tab Ramos removed himself from interim because he wants job full time

The optics are just bad and it looks like they are tone deaf

I guess an argument could be what choice did they have with November friendlies