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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    The multi-sport athlete is overrated for soccer with the exception of GK. I'll take a GK who plays basketball and has the height, vertical jump and hand-eye coordination to succeed in basketball all day long.

    Everywhere else, I would rather have the specialist soccer player who is decently athletic, over the super-star lacrosse, football, basketball, track star athlete who also happens to play some soccer. His first touch, movement off the ball, ability to pass accurately with the proper pace and to the foot or space based on his teammate's queues, etc will all be sub-par.

    No other sport in the US requires the technical ability with the body and feet that soccer does. Without it, the game devolves into kick and run, which most HS track-star athletes seem to enjoy anyway, or a slug fest of bad touches and bodies knocking into each other. No other sport requires a player to read in real-time the location and movement patterns of 21 other players on a 120 x 80 yard field for 80-90 minutes with a short 5 minute break in-between. Basketball is smaller and with less players, football the play stops constantly, hockey is smaller and with less players. Lacrosse is close, but with one less player per team. Last, every one of those sports relies on hand-eye coordination, not foot/body-eye.
    Thanks for your oh so worldly view of soccer compared to other sports. You obviously never made it too far playing another sport.
    Multi sport athletes are well rounded, fit individuals, that win in the game of life. They play sports longer, have less injuries, and less burn out / flame out in the long run. Most kids would be better off playing more than one sport in their life time.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Here is an idea. Take 15 kids on the team and play everyone. Oh but wait. Then clubs would lose out on money. They need your bench warmers. If your kid is not playing, find a club where they will play.
      EXACTLY. Pay yourself first. Find a team or club that helps you be the best player that you can be. Avoid ones that don’t value your soccer experience.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Here is an idea. Take 15 kids on the team and play everyone. Oh but wait. Then clubs would lose out on money. They need your bench warmers. If your kid is not playing, find a club where they will play.
        I’d love to see this. The Walmart’s of soccer have taken over. Everyone flocked to the bigger clubs, thinking it would be better development. Small clubs couldn’t survive . Now you have only a few big clubs, with big rosters, that take everyone’s money, and don’t develop on a large scale.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          EXACTLY. Pay yourself first. Find a team or club that helps you be the best player that you can be. Avoid ones that don’t value your soccer experience.
          Be realistic before joining the team.

          Don't by a new BMW 3-series and then complain you can't put a snowblower in the trunk.

          Clubs WANT to have 15 great players. That's there goal. So, they settle for 15 players in general. If you are at the bottom of the roster, don't blame the club for taking you...blame yourself for buying it.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Be realistic before joining the team.

            Don't by a new BMW 3-series and then complain you can't put a snowblower in the trunk.

            Clubs WANT to have 15 great players. That's there goal. So, they settle for 15 players in general. If you are at the bottom of the roster, don't blame the club for taking you...blame yourself for buying it.
            Don’t buy it!

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Thanks for your oh so worldly view of soccer compared to other sports. You obviously never made it too far playing another sport.
              Multi sport athletes are well rounded, fit individuals, that win in the game of life. They play sports longer, have less injuries, and less burn out / flame out in the long run. Most kids would be better off playing more than one sport in their life time.
              Incorrect. All the studies have shown that specializing too early can hurt a player's long term development, but that specialization eventually wins out. For soccer, that specialization needs to happen once the transition to 11v11 is made and puberty starts kicking in, so U14/15 for boys and U13 or so for girls. As to overuse, correct periodization and a focus on movement, SAQ and strength and conditioning overcomes that. Want to know where I see lots of injuries? The multi-sport athlete who goes from HS soccer to HS basketball to HS Lacrosse or track. Throw in a club sport and they are blowing out knees and pulling muscles all the time.

              Show me a current pro soccer player who was a multi sport athlete and didn't focus entirely on soccer from U14 to the pros... they don't exist. For those who think college is the pinnacle, guess what... it's not.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Incorrect. All the studies have shown that specializing too early can hurt a player's long term development, but that specialization eventually wins out. For soccer, that specialization needs to happen once the transition to 11v11 is made and puberty starts kicking in, so U14/15 for boys and U13 or so for girls. As to overuse, correct periodization and a focus on movement, SAQ and strength and conditioning overcomes that. Want to know where I see lots of injuries? The multi-sport athlete who goes from HS soccer to HS basketball to HS Lacrosse or track. Throw in a club sport and they are blowing out knees and pulling muscles all the time.

                Show me a current pro soccer player who was a multi sport athlete and didn't focus entirely on soccer from U14 to the pros... they don't exist. For those who think college is the pinnacle, guess what... it's not.
                How many pros do you personally know? The majority of kids aren’t going pro, or even college for that matter. Multi sport is best for most.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  How many pros do you personally know? The majority of kids aren’t going pro, or even college for that matter. Multi sport is best for most.
                  You are only young once. Why not try different sports to see which one(s) you really do enjoy? When you get to high school, you can start to specialize and most do already now anyway.

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                    #39
                    Yes because all olympiads are multi sport athletes.Do what you love ,1 ,2,3 sports .

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The multi-sport athlete is overrated for soccer with the exception of GK. I'll take a GK who plays basketball and has the height, vertical jump and hand-eye coordination to succeed in basketball all day long.

                      Everywhere else, I would rather have the specialist soccer player who is decently athletic, over the super-star lacrosse, football, basketball, track star athlete who also happens to play some soccer. His first touch, movement off the ball, ability to pass accurately with the proper pace and to the foot or space based on his teammate's queues, etc will all be sub-par.

                      No other sport in the US requires the technical ability with the body and feet that soccer does. Without it, the game devolves into kick and run, which most HS track-star athletes seem to enjoy anyway, or a slug fest of bad touches and bodies knocking into each other. No other sport requires a player to read in real-time the location and movement patterns of 21 other players on a 120 x 80 yard field for 80-90 minutes with a short 5 minute break in-between. Basketball is smaller and with less players, football the play stops constantly, hockey is smaller and with less players. Lacrosse is close, but with one less player per team. Last, every one of those sports relies on hand-eye coordination, not foot/body-eye.
                      Most sports require technique.

                      Track is the only sport that you can't hide if you are good or not. A team doesn't bail you out.

                      Don't underestimate the reaction times needed to get quickly out of the blocks in the short races (up to a 400 & hurdles) as the start can make or break your finish. And if you get out too soon, your disqualified. It's not just lining up and running. You need to have great reactions; and anticipation skills...not just good. And the physical conditioning needed to be successful is unlike other sports.

                      You need to be in top physical condition; no walking or jogging. You are measured in centimeters (distance) and 100's of a second.

                      You have to physically pull your body over a high jump bar without it hitting it in mid air (technique needed). You have to physically pull your body through a long jump to maximize your distance (as well as have speed and coordination to know when to leap/to maximize your distance on the board before taking off (just a hair over and it's a foul). You have to have great footwork and core strength and technique to launch a javelin.

                      Unlike soccer or many team sports, including basketball, you can't hide in a pack of athletes in a high level T&F environment. Only the fastest and fittest survive.

                      I used to tell my kids that I coached in track (USA T&F), I can teach you to bounce a ball. They can't do what you can do. You either have speed or you don't. No one can make anyone fast if they don't have the gift of speed already. That's a fact.

                      Btw - many, including my own kids played b-ball just for fun.

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                        #41
                        Tracks the only sport really.Gymnastics,boxing,wrestling,swimming,archer y,bowling,tennis to name a few where you cannot hide.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Most sports require technique.

                          Track is the only sport that you can't hide if you are good or not. A team doesn't bail you out.

                          Don't underestimate the reaction times needed to get quickly out of the blocks in the short races (up to a 400 & hurdles) as the start can make or break your finish. And if you get out too soon, your disqualified. It's not just lining up and running. You need to have great reactions; and anticipation skills...not just good. And the physical conditioning needed to be successful is unlike other sports.

                          You need to be in top physical condition; no walking or jogging. You are measured in centimeters (distance) and 100's of a second.

                          You have to physically pull your body over a high jump bar without it hitting it in mid air (technique needed). You have to physically pull your body through a long jump to maximize your distance (as well as have speed and coordination to know when to leap/to maximize your distance on the board before taking off (just a hair over and it's a foul). You have to have great footwork and core strength and technique to launch a javelin.

                          Unlike soccer or many team sports, including basketball, you can't hide in a pack of athletes in a high level T&F environment. Only the fastest and fittest survive.

                          I used to tell my kids that I coached in track (USA T&F), I can teach you to bounce a ball. They can't do what you can do. You either have speed or you don't. No one can make anyone fast if they don't have the gift of speed already. That's a fact.

                          Btw - many, including my own kids played b-ball just for fun.
                          Thanks, track dad. A person that can win a sprint might be fast, but that doesn't mean that he / she is agile, has great hand-eye or foot-eye coordination, can react to threats or opportunities, can perform when being bumped, pushed, elbowed, or can repeat the same performance many times over the course of a single contest. How many great sprinters have flamed out in the NFL because they couldn't run and catch a ball at the same time, or couldn't run and change directions? How many track stars could play in the NBA, or play lacrosse, hockey, tennis or soccer? I'd love to see you turn your track athlete into Patrick Mahomes, Kevin Durant or Lionel Messi.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            How many pros do you personally know? The majority of kids aren’t going pro, or even college for that matter. Multi sport is best for most.
                            Bingo! For the very few players that have a shot at top D1 or even pro or NT aspirations then specialization is important for skill development. Even then there are players in that mold that are just excellent athletes and play other sports, even if at a less competitive level. However, while specialization may make a difference from a skill perspective there is mounting evidence it can be very detrimental from an overall physical or emotional standpoint - overuse injuries and burnout are huge problems in youth sports. Face it, most parents and many coaches don't know squat about athletic training and push kids too hard. We're not talking about coaches at the pro level who have a more sophisticated knowledge, or have a bevy of athletic trainers keeping an eye on players

                            FWIW my BIL is an orthopedist - he said sports specialization in the last decade or more has been very good for his practice but he really feels for the kids. They're suffering injuries normally seen in adults or at least college aged athletes. As such made sure his kids weren't focusing too much on any one sport.

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                              #44
                              This thread has become everything I'd hoped that it would. Thanks!

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Yes because all olympiads are multi sport athletes.Do what you love ,1 ,2,3 sports .
                                Have fun playing lots of sports , or spend your childhood with grand illusions of becoming an Olympian.

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