Why create another league vs USYS?

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Oakwood, STA, FCV.

All have multiple teams that can beat 90% of the teams on the East Coast for ECNL. Other then PDA the other ECNL teams are having trouble with these teams at every age group.

I'll give you Oakwood, but LMFAO at STA & FCV...they are just not good and would get crushed by the majority of the ECNL teams.

You and I have a very different definition of dominant...

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Name one club that should be in ECNL that isn't. One club that has shown they can produce very competitive teams across multiple age groups, that dominate their current league. I can't think of a single one...

Thats the chicken and the egg, though. MANY clubs have better infrastructure, coaching and philosophies than some ECNL clubs but because they dont have that badge they lose their top players instead of gaining more. Why do you think WC and PDA wont let anyone near them? They are using other clubs as feeders. Some other clubs who otherwise would be very competitive with them but that shiny patch works as a blockade.

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interesting announcement from EDP: https://www.edpsoccer.com/news_article/show/1101687

Or a desperate attempt to stay relevant...sad how EDP is bastardizing USYS National League, now there's a trophy for everyone!!!

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There are dozens and dozens of current ecnl clubs that do not fit that criteria. Dominating the league across several age groups is not what the vast majority of ecnl clubs do. Not even close.

My kid plays in the league but be real.

It is a business model of a closed league. That's it. Business model does not work without controlling the conference size and club locations.

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Thats the chicken and the egg, though. MANY clubs have better infrastructure, coaching and philosophies than some ECNL clubs but because they dont have that badge they lose their top players instead of gaining more. Why do you think WC and PDA wont let anyone near them? They are using other clubs as feeders. Some other clubs who otherwise would be very competitive with them but that shiny patch works as a blockade.

Well put.

There is a percentage, no idea how many, who are at an ECNL club due to lack of other options. Some, many, a few, a lot....hard to say, would easily move to a top-tier league who played by the rules they want (i.e. subbing, HS, etc.).

Different state - but my daughter's team split up at U13 as some went to our Club's NPL team, some went to a GDA team, some went to an ECNL team. Likely, many of them would've ended up at the GDA team due to proximity.

Some great teams would take a hit, there really can't be a debate about that. How much is the question.

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It is a business model of a closed league. That's it. Business model does not work without controlling the conference size and club locations.

All true. But, back to the original question...Why create another league? This is the answer.

No reason, however, that you couldn't keep the size similar (slightly larger) and have it integrated with lower leagues (assuming you have a non-involved entity overseeing it), and promoting/relegating within that structure.

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Any top tier league, which by design is set to exclude top tier players, is a failure.

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Well put.

There is a percentage, no idea how many, who are at an ECNL club due to lack of other options. Some, many, a few, a lot....hard to say, would easily move to a top-tier league who played by the rules they want (i.e. subbing, HS, etc.).

Different state - but my daughter's team split up at U13 as some went to our Club's NPL team, some went to a GDA team, some went to an ECNL team. Likely, many of them would've ended up at the GDA team due to proximity.

Some great teams would take a hit, there really can't be a debate about that. How much is the question.

My D is on a team that was at the top of all rankings for the nation and by far were the best girls team in the north east. We have lost many girls already and will keep losing players because we cant get a badge. If the team had access to a league instead oif being shut out, we'd have gained a few and continued to dominate almost every club in this area. Just the way it is, though. We go from #1 to being a team that two or three clubs just pluck from.

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My D is on a team that was at the top of all rankings for the nation and by far were the best girls team in the north east. We have lost many girls already and will keep losing players because we cant get a badge. If the team had access to a league instead oif being shut out, we'd have gained a few and continued to dominate almost every club in this area. Just the way it is, though. We go from #1 to being a team that two or three clubs just pluck from.

Change America, homie. Fight these fakes! Join the movement.

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Any top tier league, which by design is set to exclude top tier players, is a failure.

There is no league designed to exclude top tier players. There are leagues that exclude specific clubs and/or teams, but any top tier player is welcome to join a team that plays in any specific league they want.

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Looking for intelligent opinions from the club side. Not parents.

It's all about control.

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There is no league designed to exclude top tier players. There are leagues that exclude specific clubs and/or teams, but any top tier player is welcome to join a team that plays in any specific league they want.

And, that's a fallacy.

Advocates on here are very clear about not wanting to "water down" the competition and keep it within a close control within the existing club structure.

By design, that eliminates players who cannot play for those teams, for various reasons: costs, proximity, etc.

So, yes, the specific structure of the league(s) at the top are designed to eliminate. They don't even say it's not true, just to defend their reasoning why. And, as a result, top tier players are eliminated. Which makes those leagues a failure.

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Except top clubs don’t want to play crappy clubs.

Also clubs don’t want to share revenue from tournaments or supplemental training for the ‘top coaches’.

Isn't that PDAs model? How many times, after u12, have they played top clubs in the area?

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Name one club that should be in ECNL that isn't. One club that has shown they can produce very competitive teams across multiple age groups, that dominate their current league. I can't think of a single one...

Penn Fusion and STA are better than 90% of the clubs in the MA division. Maybe a half dozen more that are better than the bottom 40% overall with a team or 2 that could challenge the top 3.

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Penn Fusion and STA are better than 90% of the clubs in the MA division. Maybe a half dozen more that are better than the bottom 40% overall with a team or 2 that could challenge the top 3.

Definitely agree but that will not be the case moving forward. Both will lose kids to other teams now.