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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Not sure who you are pointing the finger at. Practices are typically for field players with a coach who does not know how to coach keepers. Keepers pay for private training Since clubs offer sub par training. Therefore keepers pay extra for equipment and training.
    Just venting.
    So glad I planted this giant money tree in the backyard

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Not sure who you are pointing the finger at. Practices are typically for field players with a coach who does not know how to coach keepers. Keepers pay for private training Since clubs offer sub par training. Therefore keepers pay extra for equipment and training.
      This X a million. Very rare for a coach to know anything about goal keeping. Even better when they try to direct their keeper in game. How can you tell your keeper to come off her line or stay and set when you haven't played the position a day in your life?

      The training at most clubs is definitely subpar. All prior comments to that are correct. They usually throw all ages and abilities together or do some split that makes no sense. How can your kid get better when the kid next to her can't even do a front smother?

      Keepers absolutely need the extra outside training which they do on top of all the regular field training. If you want to be a good keeper, it's more money and commitment that's required.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        So field players typically don’t get supplemental training but it is the norm for gks? And they pay the same amount?! Such a shame... because often because when games are lost the finger is typically pointed at the player who receives the least support and instruction from the club.
        At clubs with solid GK training GKs will spend part of their time with the GK coach, part with the team. You're free to to join a club with weak or non existent GK training, but good luck with that. Shots on goal are the results of multiple mistakes on the field first. Your GK is your last line of defense so you better hope they're good.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          This X a million. Very rare for a coach to know anything about goal keeping. Even better when they try to direct their keeper in game. How can you tell your keeper to come off her line or stay and set when you haven't played the position a day in your life?

          The training at most clubs is definitely subpar. All prior comments to that are correct. They usually throw all ages and abilities together or do some split that makes no sense. How can your kid get better when the kid next to her can't even do a front smother?

          Keepers absolutely need the extra outside training which they do on top of all the regular field training. If you want to be a good keeper, it's more money and commitment that's required.
          Totally agree. A few clubs have good GK training but it's rare overall. Even plenty of team coaches don't think GK training is important - stay away from those coaches. Developing into a good GK takes a lot of extra work they can't just get in the net in games. If you have to go with private training (as many do) have your trainer come watch a few actual games (or film them to review). It's important to get feedback from someone who knows what they're doing - chances are your team coach will not.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            you're not correct
            Predates his arrival at the club
            The other never comes to training with him
            Both trained with him this last season mate. The other post was correct. I know one also gets other training as well.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Totally agree. A few clubs have good GK training but it's rare overall. Even plenty of team coaches don't think GK training is important - stay away from those coaches. Developing into a good GK takes a lot of extra work they can't just get in the net in games. If you have to go with private training (as many do) have your trainer come watch a few actual games (or film them to review). It's important to get feedback from someone who knows what they're doing - chances are your team coach will not.
              I agree with this. Also re: team coach, I've seen many games lost/drastically altered because a coach who knows nothing of goalkeeping yells to the keeper to scoop a ball that was a pass back from their own teammate (but didn't see it), come off their line when the gk's training and instincts tell them the opposite, punt when the situation didn't call for it, etc. The position isn't one where you can coach from the sidelines. The keeper has to be trusted to play their own game.

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                #22
                Cedar Stars (Monmouth) 2010 Girls Team is looking for a Goalie. Ours, unfortunately, moved away. This one of the top teams in the region for this age group and looking for a New Teammate to make the team complete. Looking to start training for Spring/Summer season ASAP (as lock down starts to ease up). Once things get back to normal will be most likely having 2 to 3 training sessions per week (including Goalie Training). Training is in Tinton Falls, NJ at the Beautiful CSA Facilities at Wayside Road.

                If you are interested, please come to a training session and work out with us.

                Please Contact Cedar Stars

                or Coach Tom Napoli @
                tom.napoli@cedarstars.com

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I agree with this. Also re: team coach, I've seen many games lost/drastically altered because a coach who knows nothing of goalkeeping yells to the keeper to scoop a ball that was a pass back from their own teammate (but didn't see it), come off their line when the gk's training and instincts tell them the opposite, punt when the situation didn't call for it, etc. The position isn't one where you can coach from the sidelines. The keeper has to be trusted to play their own game.
                  Parent of a GK here - best coach my player ever had was a former GK himself. Most of the rest just didn't get it.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Parent of a GK here - best coach my player ever had was a former GK himself. Most of the rest just didn't get it.
                    Absolutely. If your kid isn’t working with someone who played goal, you aren’t getting anywhere near your money’s worth. There’s a lot more to the position than just stopping shots.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Absolutely. If your kid isn’t working with someone who played goal, you aren’t getting anywhere near your money’s worth. There’s a lot more to the position than just stopping shots.
                      100%, but that unfortunately doesn't (typically) translate to their games with the team coach. Like someone said on here previously, if there are shots on net there are many circumstances where it took a multitude of errors from field players just to let that happen. It almost doesn't matter how the keeper does in that scenario as a save is almost a gift if your team gave up the ball in the box, let someone walk through 9 players, etc.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        100%, but that unfortunately doesn't (typically) translate to their games with the team coach. Like someone said on here previously, if there are shots on net there are many circumstances where it took a multitude of errors from field players just to let that happen. It almost doesn't matter how the keeper does in that scenario as a save is almost a gift if your team gave up the ball in the box, let someone walk through 9 players, etc.
                        And another thing, prompted by the recent spate of goalkeeper discussions, a kid should not be exclusively playing goal until you get to the 11 v 11 stage. Parents and coaches are doing the kid a disservice if they are having them only play there. I don’t care if she’s really good or he’s the only one who likes it. They’re better off only playing one half at the younger ages and also developing other aspects of their game. If they want to focus on gk at 11v11 they won’t have lost anything developmentally and will actually have gained a better understanding of the field positions that will help them more. And size matters for gks, so a small kid who is great at diving on balls in front of the small goals is going to have a hard time later on with crosses in front of a big one.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          And another thing, prompted by the recent spate of goalkeeper discussions, a kid should not be exclusively playing goal until you get to the 11 v 11 stage. Parents and coaches are doing the kid a disservice if they are having them only play there. I don’t care if she’s really good or he’s the only one who likes it. They’re better off only playing one half at the younger ages and also developing other aspects of their game. If they want to focus on gk at 11v11 they won’t have lost anything developmentally and will actually have gained a better understanding of the field positions that will help them more. And size matters for gks, so a small kid who is great at diving on balls in front of the small goals is going to have a hard time later on with crosses in front of a big one.
                          As long as they are keeping up with their field training, making sure they are good with their feet (a keeper should be trusted with a pass back or coming out to clear a ball with their feet), and watching/attending professional games with an eye to all sides of the ball they should be okay.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Absolutely. If your kid isn’t working with someone who played goal, you aren’t getting anywhere near your money’s worth. There’s a lot more to the position than just stopping shots.

                            Truer words haven’t been spoken so key...by the same token let’s Ben honest most former goalies make pretty bad head coaches....you rarely see any good ones.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Truer words haven’t been spoken so key...by the same token let’s Ben honest most former goalies make pretty bad head coaches....you rarely see any good ones.
                              Dino Zoff
                              Nuno Espírito Santo
                              And...
                              Ok, fair point

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Dino Zoff
                                Nuno Espírito Santo
                                And...
                                Ok, fair point
                                Very good ones Nuno is doing a good job at Wolves!

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