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    World Cup head injuries

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    #2
    Taylor Twellman was pretty outspoken on the subject during the World Cup. He has a blog on concussions.

    http://theconcussionblog.com/tag/taylor-twellman/

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      #3
      Kramer was obviously dazed and should have come off and stayed off right away. Even more clear cut was the player that got knocked out (which team I can't recall). One of my kids had a serious concussion and you just don't mess around with it. You only have one brain. FIFA and coaches are not setting a good example for young players.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Kramer was obviously dazed and should have come off and stayed off right away. Even more clear cut was the player that got knocked out (which team I can't recall). One of my kids had a serious concussion and you just don't mess around with it. You only have one brain. FIFA and coaches are not setting a good example for young players.
        You are probably thinking of Uruguay’s Alvaro Pereirra.

        www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdb-6L_ozXQ

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          #5
          It takes several minutes to adequately assess a head injury. A simple fix is to change the substitution rule for such cases so the coaches aren't tempted to have a player stay in. Players should not be allowed back in, no matter how much they say they are ok, until a doctor can clear them.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            It takes several minutes to adequately assess a head injury. A simple fix is to change the substitution rule for such cases so the coaches aren't tempted to have a player stay in. Players should not be allowed back in, no matter how much they say they are ok, until a doctor can clear them.
            Simple fix. Allow more subbing. If a player needs to be checked by a doc, the team has to play a man down. Rules should also then allow a player who got knocked to take a breather while letting a sub fill in.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Simple fix. Allow more subbing. If a player needs to be checked by a doc, the team has to play a man down. Rules should also then allow a player who got knocked to take a breather while letting a sub fill in.
              The treatment for someone who got concussed is not to "let them take a breather". They should be taken out of the game if player safety is the concern. You no more let someone continue playing with a concussion than you do for a cracked rib.

              However, if professional players, who are adults, want to continue to play with a concussion then let them. Have them sign a waiver stating they are a moron who doesn't mind the health ramifications - then let them play.

              Anyone whose not in that category of making their living off it, shouldn't be assuming the risk. But, there are lots of other professions and dangerous livlihoods where people assume much greater risks - all adults, who know the risks, and take them anyway.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                It takes several minutes to adequately assess a head injury. A simple fix is to change the substitution rule for such cases so the coaches aren't tempted to have a player stay in. Players should not be allowed back in, no matter how much they say they are ok, until a doctor can clear them.
                Takes a lot more than several minutes to adequately assess a head injury. You can identify whether someone is concussed in several minutes - but not adequately assess the degree of injury.

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                  #9
                  soccer players are such pansies. a little bump and they are squirming around on the ground like they were shot in the leg with an arrow. a little noggin-bump and they are staggering around like a drunken freshman. get up and perform for us. we bought the ticket now play. you can sleep it off tomorrow when you are off my clock.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    However, if professional players, who are adults, want to continue to play with a concussion then let them. Have them sign a waiver stating they are a moron who doesn't mind the health ramifications - then let them play..

                    You let them play and then years later they sue. Owners then raise ticket prices to cover the legal settlement because someone didn't stop the concussed player when they should have.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      You let them play and then years later they sue. Owners then raise ticket prices to cover the legal settlement because someone didn't stop the concussed player when they should have.
                      I'll take my chances against the demented dented head crew being able to use the phone to call a lawyer. When they are used up, carry them off and stick in another one. Plenty more where they came from.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        You let them play and then years later they sue. Owners then raise ticket prices to cover the legal settlement because someone didn't stop the concussed player when they should have.
                        That's what the waiver is for - they have to acknowledge that concussions are dangerous and can have lasting effects, especially if you ignore the protocols, insist on continuing to play etc.

                        Reason NFL players are suing is not because they got concussed, but because the NFL repeatedly didn't share the data on risks and long term damage. You don't see Nascar drivers suing when they die a fiery death right? Because they know that despite the fire-proof suit, and the titanium cage, and all other precautions, that driving around at 200 miles an hour with a gasoline fueled car can turn you into a tater-tot despite all precautions.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          That's what the waiver is for - they have to acknowledge that concussions are dangerous and can have lasting effects, especially if you ignore the protocols, insist on continuing to play etc.

                          Reason NFL players are suing is not because they got concussed, but because the NFL repeatedly didn't share the data on risks and long term damage. You don't see Nascar drivers suing when they die a fiery death right? Because they know that despite the fire-proof suit, and the titanium cage, and all other precautions, that driving around at 200 miles an hour with a gasoline fueled car can turn you into a tater-tot despite all precautions.
                          The players who routinely fake the severity of injuries are a huge part of the problem.
                          When do you step in? They roll around like they have been shot and 30 seconds later they are running at full speed like nothing happened. If the game has to stop for an injury, real or faked, the player should be removed from the pitch for 5 minutes unless the team wants to sub him. It would cut the faking by 95% and allow the medical staff to see if a player was truly hurt from a head injury.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            The players who routinely fake the severity of injuries are a huge part of the problem.
                            When do you step in? They roll around like they have been shot and 30 seconds later they are running at full speed like nothing happened. If the game has to stop for an injury, real or faked, the player should be removed from the pitch for 5 minutes unless the team wants to sub him. It would cut the faking by 95% and allow the medical staff to see if a player was truly hurt from a head injury.
                            Of course that is a risk, but in clear cut cases like those in the WC that's different. (eg. knock out).

                            As for letting adults make their own choices, that is why there should be rules with allowable substitutions. A player all jazzed up to get back in isn't thinking clearly to begin with, let alone with a possible head injury. And god forbid they get hit again in a short period of time - those multiple hits with no time for brain recovery in between are the ones that scientists think do the most damage. If you think adults should still allowed to do so (with waiver or whatever), fine. But rules should be established for youth players and even college level.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              The players who routinely fake the severity of injuries are a huge part of the problem.
                              When do you step in? They roll around like they have been shot and 30 seconds later they are running at full speed like nothing happened. If the game has to stop for an injury, real or faked, the player should be removed from the pitch for 5 minutes unless the team wants to sub him. It would cut the faking by 95% and allow the medical staff to see if a player was truly hurt from a head injury.
                              I like your suggestion.

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