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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    While I don't disagree with the majority of your post, your tenor suggests that many coaches are in this for the money: what money? Unless you own the club, the chances are that you will struggle to find and/or survive on coaching salary alone. "Sales pitch", "fleece", and "fast talking" are inflamatory phrases that belong on a used car lot. There have been entire threads devoted to how coaches should get a "real job".
    A pervasive argument, and one not answered in the op, is the role of paid vs volunteer. Are all these Germans volunteers or do the parents shell out thousands of deutschmarks? I would argue that the dinner table discussion in Germany is about the local football team and families kick a ball instead of throwing one and that means that dad/mom know the game intimately. More kids learn from them than a coach. That process does not exist with soccer in this country, and in fact, kids know more than the parents. Until the generational switch occurs, we will never catch up. Mom and dad will be the catalyst for that change over time.
    Total crap. The clubs are all about the money.

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      #17
      IMO ! The majority of really good coaches get into college to coach. My guess would be pay, and security. The most committed, with the knowledge and track record, seem to go off on their own in some capacity, as well. Seeing less of the top coaches doing as much with the clubs. They have smaller roles than 10 years ago. I also think that the really good ones are frustrated with the system?

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Ask yourself if the English do not want English coaches why do we here are so into having an Englishman coaching our kids here in Mass?
        I think to some extent it has to do with the lack of a language barrier.

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          #19
          club model is upside down

          German and dutch club systems make their money by producing quality players (and selling them). No quality players, no $.

          US and MA club soccer make money by babysitting and padding dreams. They have no incentive to produce great players. They get paid regardless as long as they really don't screw up too bad.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            German and dutch club systems make their money by producing quality players (and selling them). No quality players, no $.

            US and MA club soccer make money by babysitting and padding dreams. They have no incentive to produce great players. They get paid regardless as long as they really don't screw up too bad.
            spain as well

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              They get paid regardless as long as they really don't screw up too bad.
              Now you're making soccer clubs sound like financial services firms.

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                #22
                It's all about our lack of truly qualified coaches. Just about every hack who played high school or some college ball just knows they are qualified to coach and don't need any courses or education on how to be an effective coach. Right, because you played awful soccer in your teens/20s against other awful players with awful coaching, you are qualified to coach the next generation. To inject a little sanity and a realistic take on this, see excepts of interesting article below. We need qualified coaches now!!!

                “We have what I consider to be a very negative attitude toward coaching education by many coaches, and thus we do not have enough educated and properly trained coaches working with our youngest players. Yes, we have coaches that played the game at a good level, but most of the ones I meet think they should be sent straight to their USSF “B” License because they played pro or college ball. They might know the game, but they know very little about children, proper athletic development, or how to actually teach it to kids! …”

                “If you doubt the effectiveness of good coaching at young ages, you only need to look to Iceland, whose entire population of 325,000 would barely qualify as a small city in the US. Yet Iceland currently has over 70 professionals playing throughout Europe, and nearly qualified for the 2014 World Cup! How? Over 40 percent of the coaches in Iceland have a UEFA “B” License or above, many have backgrounds in physical education, and starting at age 5, players work with highly qualified, paid professional coaches.”

                http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts...united-states/

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  It's all about our lack of truly qualified coaches. Just about every hack who played high school or some college ball just knows they are qualified to coach and don't need any courses or education on how to be an effective coach. Right, because you played awful soccer in your teens/20s against other awful players with awful coaching, you are qualified to coach the next generation. To inject a little sanity and a realistic take on this, see excepts of interesting article below. We need qualified coaches now!!!

                  “We have what I consider to be a very negative attitude toward coaching education by many coaches, and thus we do not have enough educated and properly trained coaches working with our youngest players. Yes, we have coaches that played the game at a good level, but most of the ones I meet think they should be sent straight to their USSF “B” License because they played pro or college ball. They might know the game, but they know very little about children, proper athletic development, or how to actually teach it to kids! …”

                  “If you doubt the effectiveness of good coaching at young ages, you only need to look to Iceland, whose entire population of 325,000 would barely qualify as a small city in the US. Yet Iceland currently has over 70 professionals playing throughout Europe, and nearly qualified for the 2014 World Cup! How? Over 40 percent of the coaches in Iceland have a UEFA “B” License or above, many have backgrounds in physical education, and starting at age 5, players work with highly qualified, paid professional coaches.”

                  http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts...united-states/


                  "We must come to value coaching education, and our organizations must ensure that our coaches are lifelong learners, and not naive know-it-alls who scoff at the notion that they have something new to learn."

                  From that same article. Parents, doesn't that describe nearly every coach you've met? If not, you're one of the very few lucky ones. Would you place your confidence in a doctor or lawyer or other professional whose attitude was that they already know everything about their profession and don't need to learn anything new because they've been doing it for X number of years? Yet that's the standard line coaches throw in parents' face whenever asked reasonable questions or asked about plans for further coaching licenses. We won't be able to produce significant numbers of better players until we demand significant number of better coaches.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    "We must come to value coaching education, and our organizations must ensure that our coaches are lifelong learners, and not naive know-it-alls who scoff at the notion that they have something new to learn."

                    From that same article. Parents, doesn't that describe nearly every coach you've met? If not, you're one of the very few lucky ones. Would you place your confidence in a doctor or lawyer or other professional whose attitude was that they already know everything about their profession and don't need to learn anything new because they've been doing it for X number of years? Yet that's the standard line coaches throw in parents' face whenever asked reasonable questions or asked about plans for further coaching licenses. We won't be able to produce significant numbers of better players until we demand significant number of better coaches.
                    Then pay us more. If you are to hold us to the same standard as doctors or lawyers, then renumerate us fairly. And unlike new diseases and precedents, soccer does not reinvent the wheel, so many of the higher licenses suffice.
                    You must be truly unhappy with your club, so switch doctors.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      If found this sentence interesting, given how there seem to be more UK coaches coming here (I hear the accents on fields far more than I did just five years ago)

                      "The U.K. acknowledges how poorly they stack up with these countries in terms of qualified coaches throughout their youth system (though not sure they're doing much about it)."

                      If youth coaching is slipping in the UK, who is coming over here to coach then?
                      Coaching soccer in England is probably like coaching baseball, basketball or football in the US. Ever guy thinks he knows that game and can coach. Because there are so many people who think they can coach, it's hard for any youth coach to get paid decently in England, even the truly qualified ones. As a result, lots of English youth coaches are interested in coaching in the US, both unqualified ones and very qualified ones. Clubs just need to be selective and not hire anyone with an English accent.

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                        #26
                        I was really impressed with how well Iceland did in this summer in the world cup or any previous world cup! I am also looking forward to watching the Icelandic women's team next summer. All those B lisc's really make a difference

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          I was really impressed with how well Iceland did in this summer in the world cup or any previous world cup! I am also looking forward to watching the Icelandic women's team next summer. All those B lisc's really make a difference
                          You are not intelligent enough to post here.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            I was really impressed with how well Iceland did in this summer in the world cup or any previous world cup! I am also looking forward to watching the Icelandic women's team next summer. All those B lisc's really make a difference
                            Article clearly states Iceland didn't make WC, but came close. For a nation with fewer than 400,000 people, putting 70 players in the pro ranks in Europe is fantastic rate! All those B licenses are REALLY making a difference. To put that into prospective, the City of Miami has a little over 400,000 residents. You think Miami has 70 pros playing in Europe? Yes, all those B licenses and above are really making a difference, dip-stick.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Article clearly states Iceland didn't make WC, but came close. For a nation with fewer than 400,000 people, putting 70 players in the pro ranks in Europe is fantastic rate! All those B licenses are REALLY making a difference. To put that into prospective, the City of Miami has a little over 400,000 residents. You think Miami has 70 pros playing in Europe? Yes, all those B licenses and above are really making a difference, dip-stick.
                              Or another reference point for MA folks, Boston has over 600,000 pop. All this moaning about how MA can't compete with NJ, NY and not many players on the region ODP pool, etc, etc. Now, imagine a country with fewer total people than Boston sending 70 players to the pro ranks in Europe. Hey, there must be something to this novel notion of good, qualified coaching producing quality players.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Or another reference point for MA folks, Boston has over 600,000 pop. All this moaning about how MA can't compete with NJ, NY and not many players on the region ODP pool, etc, etc. Now, imagine a country with fewer total people than Boston sending 70 players to the pro ranks in Europe. Hey, there must be something to this novel notion of good, qualified coaching producing quality players.
                                If every kid playing basketball switched allegiance and played nothing but soccer from birth, we'd win the world cup every year starting in 2022. In fact, we could use college athletes just to make it fair.

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