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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    This is true.

    If you played all the teams from Oregon against each other there would be no clear best club and no one could lie and say their league is credit. OYSA teams would beat Ecnl teAms who would beat GDA teams who would beat OYSA teams.

    Then ALL of them would be doormats to any top 30 team from any league outside of Oregon.
    Except CU- Good luck CU03 at ECNL final four next week in Richmond.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Except CU- Good luck CU03 at ECNL final four next week in Richmond.
      You mean the final four teams willing to pay to go nowhere fast.

      $$$$#

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Can Thorns get relegated to OYSA?
        Maybe a splinter league with Burlingame.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Financially it makes sense for Slammers to return to ECNL. Profit margins are much lower for clubs in GDA and many of the players want to play HS soccer.
          What your not reading is that the top players from each Slammer age group moved to other DA programs. Referred in fact, by their own coaches. High school soccer is high school soccer.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            What your not reading is that the top players from each Slammer age group moved to other DA programs. Referred in fact, by their own coaches. High school soccer is high school soccer.
            Alternative facts.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Can Thorns get relegated to OYSA?
              That would be funny. Give em the Burlingame treatment.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                8 top national clubs are leaving GDA. Makes sense because those clubs have many top players and GDA’s focus is just the very few, very top players. Ecnl simply casts a wider net of opportunity for the college bound player. In Oregon’s small pond, it’s nice to have both Gda & Ecnl, thus offering more opportunities to more of our Oregon girls. Both have pros & cons but both can be a great path for our girls. Pick the one that suits your dd better and enjoy.
                Some top clubs around the nation never went gda in the first place, particularly in Nor Cal. None of it really matters for Oregon soccer though. Oregon’s choices of ecnl, oysa, or Academy remain mostly unchanged and mostly the same. Enjoy whichever one you choose.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  What your not reading is that the top players from each Slammer age group moved to other DA programs. Referred in fact, by their own coaches. High school soccer is high school soccer.
                  What your afraid to say is.... Parents are driving change from GDA to ECNL at many clubs because kids need balance. The crazy's are still working to make it happen in GDA. Soccer only full time for youth age kids=burn out. GDA is dying because it sucks and US Soccer is in charge. ECNL has the right mixture and will continue to grow.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    8 out of 30 top clubs to ECNL. That’s 27% for ECNL and 73% for GDA.
                    You failed both logic and math in school didn't you?

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      What your afraid to say is.... Parents are driving change from GDA to ECNL at many clubs because kids need balance. The crazy's are still working to make it happen in GDA. Soccer only full time for youth age kids=burn out. GDA is dying because it sucks and US Soccer is in charge. ECNL has the right mixture and will continue to grow.
                      DA is for kids that want to get to national team level, not have a “balance” with High School Soccer. ECNL on the boys side is failing miserably because all the clubs realize they simply don’t need it for college exposure. It’s an expensive scam for rich who’re girls.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        What your afraid to say is.... Parents are driving change from GDA to ECNL at many clubs because kids need balance. The crazy's are still working to make it happen in GDA. Soccer only full time for youth age kids=burn out. GDA is dying because it sucks and US Soccer is in charge. ECNL has the right mixture and will continue to grow.
                        Those kids that want balance, should go one way. Those that want to commit to soccer, should go the other way. This really ought not be hard.

                        But the "balance" side seems to want the "commitment" option to go away. And it's not hard to see why--to protect the "sport as leisure" mentality. After all, if the "commitment" option is available and viable (has a critical mass of talent so that e.g. training sessions are useful and the teams are reasonably well-balanced), then sooner or later, the "commitment" side will win out when it comes to the most prestigious and lucrative opportunities, and we'll get to the situation where the "balance" option isn't an option for anyone who wants a shot at the big time. After all--all else being equal, the players who are training year round (with suitable time off for recovery and things) will be better than the players who train part-time and seek "balance".

                        This is, after all, how it works in most fields of endeavor. It's how it works in men's soccer pretty much worldwide, including the US. (And to be fair, many of the best players come from full-time academies, not things like TA and Thorns where it's still four evenings a week, even though they have a weight room near the field). It's that way in music, in drama, in many sectors of the entertainment industry. You work your ass off to hone your craft and maybe you might "make it". Probably you won't. But if you approach your craft casually, you'll never be anything more than an amateur. (Which is fine, unless you want to be a pro).

                        And it's how it is starting to work in women's soccer all around the globe, where the upper-class entitlement mentality of sport-as-leisure has never taken root. The US may be in for a rude awakening in 2019 when a bunch of ECNL-spoiled girls who have been training for and focusing on a spot at UNC or UCLA discover that global soccer is yet another level.

                        The only way that "sport-as-leisure" can persist is either a) to accept second-class status (which is how it is in boys soccer; everyone understands that HS and college is an unlikely path to the pros--but these things are fine on their own merits, if played simply for the love of the game), or b) to try to strangle the "commitment" option in its crib--to either ban it outright (as rugby union did decades ago, leading to a schism that crippled the sport, and led to the workingman's sport of association football to come to dominate the world's attention), or to keep it from getting the "critical mass" of raw talent necessary to mount a challenge.

                        ECNL, in their full-court press to recruit top clubs back and paint the remaining GDA teams as second-class, is going for option b. They know the threat posed by a more professional training model to the sport-as-leisure model, and that if it is ever perceived by the soccer community that a high-level career requires full-time commitment as a youth, their current way of doing things is toast. And they have strong allies--HS likes ECNL because the girls still play on prep teams; the colleges like ECNL because the showcase model makes their job easier. Clubs like it because it is cheaper (coaches can take the fall or spring off, and no need to spend money on Gatorade). And unlike the boys' side, there aren't lucrative pro contracts arguing otherwise, and well-funded pro academies around the world demostrating just how it is done.

                        The problem is--for this to work, they pretty much have to kill GDA completely. Not just lure a few top teams, but ALL the top teams. They have to ensure that in four or five years or so, when the first crop of GDA players who started in middle school are graduating from the program, that these players aren't turning heads and wowing scouts and coaches with their level of play. And to do that--they have to make sure the top talent never signs up in the first place, as no amount of coaching or training will turn a player who lacks talent to begin with into a star. Thus the press to keep the blue-chip clubs in the ECNL fold.

                        Here in Oregon, it probably doesn't matter much. We're lucky if we produce one full-team pro on the men's side per year, but that trickle is like the Amazon River compared to local production of top women players. UP's success as a college program hasn't done squat for the local youth scene--we had Tiffeny Milbrett, who came of age before there really was a youth soccer scene here (and at a time when nobody gave a sh!t about soccer), and that's really it.

                        So, if your daughter has talent and wants to live and breathe soccer, consider GDA. If she has talent but wants a more diverse life, including playing high school, choose an ECNL program, or even stay in OYSA if travel is an issue (quite a few OYSA clubs are of similar quality to ECNL programs, no matter what the honks here might say). If she's one of the lucky few who might be NT material, she'll be found no matter which club she plays for--in Oregon, the club choice doesn't really matter much. (If you really want her to have the best possible competition--move to Texas or California, don't screw around here if you're that dedicated to her career). If she's not that good, but good enough for college, any of these are a path to NCAA ball. Don't believe any coach who tells you that you have to play for ECNL to have a shot at a college career; that's a lie.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Those kids that want balance, should go one way. Those that want to commit to soccer, should go the other way. This really ought not be hard.

                          But the "balance" side seems to want the "commitment" option to go away. And it's not hard to see why--to protect the "sport as leisure" mentality. After all, if the "commitment" option is available and viable (has a critical mass of talent so that e.g. training sessions are useful and the teams are reasonably well-balanced), then sooner or later, the "commitment" side will win out when it comes to the most prestigious and lucrative opportunities, and we'll get to the situation where the "balance" option isn't an option for anyone who wants a shot at the big time. After all--all else being equal, the players who are training year round (with suitable time off for recovery and things) will be better than the players who train part-time and seek "balance".

                          This is, after all, how it works in most fields of endeavor. It's how it works in men's soccer pretty much worldwide, including the US. (And to be fair, many of the best players come from full-time academies, not things like TA and Thorns where it's still four evenings a week, even though they have a weight room near the field). It's that way in music, in drama, in many sectors of the entertainment industry. You work your ass off to hone your craft and maybe you might "make it". Probably you won't. But if you approach your craft casually, you'll never be anything more than an amateur. (Which is fine, unless you want to be a pro).

                          And it's how it is starting to work in women's soccer all around the globe, where the upper-class entitlement mentality of sport-as-leisure has never taken root. The US may be in for a rude awakening in 2019 when a bunch of ECNL-spoiled girls who have been training for and focusing on a spot at UNC or UCLA discover that global soccer is yet another level.

                          The only way that "sport-as-leisure" can persist is either a) to accept second-class status (which is how it is in boys soccer; everyone understands that HS and college is an unlikely path to the pros--but these things are fine on their own merits, if played simply for the love of the game), or b) to try to strangle the "commitment" option in its crib--to either ban it outright (as rugby union did decades ago, leading to a schism that crippled the sport, and led to the workingman's sport of association football to come to dominate the world's attention), or to keep it from getting the "critical mass" of raw talent necessary to mount a challenge.

                          ECNL, in their full-court press to recruit top clubs back and paint the remaining GDA teams as second-class, is going for option b. They know the threat posed by a more professional training model to the sport-as-leisure model, and that if it is ever perceived by the soccer community that a high-level career requires full-time commitment as a youth, their current way of doing things is toast. And they have strong allies--HS likes ECNL because the girls still play on prep teams; the colleges like ECNL because the showcase model makes their job easier. Clubs like it because it is cheaper (coaches can take the fall or spring off, and no need to spend money on Gatorade). And unlike the boys' side, there aren't lucrative pro contracts arguing otherwise, and well-funded pro academies around the world demostrating just how it is done.

                          The problem is--for this to work, they pretty much have to kill GDA completely. Not just lure a few top teams, but ALL the top teams. They have to ensure that in four or five years or so, when the first crop of GDA players who started in middle school are graduating from the program, that these players aren't turning heads and wowing scouts and coaches with their level of play. And to do that--they have to make sure the top talent never signs up in the first place, as no amount of coaching or training will turn a player who lacks talent to begin with into a star. Thus the press to keep the blue-chip clubs in the ECNL fold.

                          Here in Oregon, it probably doesn't matter much. We're lucky if we produce one full-team pro on the men's side per year, but that trickle is like the Amazon River compared to local production of top women players. UP's success as a college program hasn't done squat for the local youth scene--we had Tiffeny Milbrett, who came of age before there really was a youth soccer scene here (and at a time when nobody gave a sh!t about soccer), and that's really it.

                          So, if your daughter has talent and wants to live and breathe soccer, consider GDA. If she has talent but wants a more diverse life, including playing high school, choose an ECNL program, or even stay in OYSA if travel is an issue (quite a few OYSA clubs are of similar quality to ECNL programs, no matter what the honks here might say). If she's one of the lucky few who might be NT material, she'll be found no matter which club she plays for--in Oregon, the club choice doesn't really matter much. (If you really want her to have the best possible competition--move to Texas or California, don't screw around here if you're that dedicated to her career). If she's not that good, but good enough for college, any of these are a path to NCAA ball. Don't believe any coach who tells you that you have to play for ECNL to have a shot at a college career; that's a lie.
                          Blah, Blah, Blah didn't even want to read all your B.S. if you cant sum up your take in a few sentences, then it probably isn't worth posting.

                          Kids and parents who dont want balance for child =2%. This is why GDA is failing. Top players are multisport athletes and kids with some balance in life. Our US National team is loaded with these types. If you dont believe me then go look. GDA is US Soccers money and control grab. Fight the power.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Blah, Blah, Blah didn't even want to read all your B.S. if you cant sum up your take in a few sentences, then it probably isn't worth posting.

                            Kids and parents who dont want balance for child =2%. This is why GDA is failing. Top players are multisport athletes and kids with some balance in life. Our US National team is loaded with these types. If you dont believe me then go look. GDA is US Soccers money and control grab. Fight the power.
                            Totally agree with your take on the long-winded, unreadable post. If you can't summarize in 1-2 paragraphs you've lost your point.

                            Re the balance issue. The problem is there aren't enough elite players who are okay with not having the balance. So you end up with this weak, watered-down, Burlingame/Thorns GDA. And the few girls who are both elite and okay with the lack of balance are sacrificing a whole bunch of stuff to play in an inferior league. GDA would have been a lot smarter to make something similar to ODP regional teams (four total in the nation per age group) and had them do tournaments and such. As it stands, 70 teams is about 65 too many for the level of talent we have.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Totally agree with your take on the long-winded, unreadable post. If you can't summarize in 1-2 paragraphs you've lost your point.

                              Re the balance issue. The problem is there aren't enough elite players who are okay with not having the balance. So you end up with this weak, watered-down, Burlingame/Thorns GDA. And the few girls who are both elite and okay with the lack of balance are sacrificing a whole bunch of stuff to play in an inferior league. GDA would have been a lot smarter to make something similar to ODP regional teams (four total in the nation per age group) and had them do tournaments and such. As it stands, 70 teams is about 65 too many for the level of talent we have.
                              Well stated and totally agree. A well run ODP system at older age groups working with all clubs hand in hand to identify truly exceptional talent would have been smart. Probably why US Soccer didn't take this route.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                You failed both logic and math in school didn't you?
                                Actually, less than 20% of the ECNL clubs are considered the top.

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