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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    What do the parents and boards know? How and what change will they push for? Soccer was headed in the right direction for a while in Oregon. It has regressed significantly in the last year.
    Depends.

    The split league sucks, but scrimmaging another crappy team won't and wasn't getting it done. ECNL and Thorns ( one age group) are great alternatives for the top 5%. The rest were just kicking each other and still will, even with the split and the addition of ECNL/The torms.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Depends.

      The split league sucks, but scrimmaging another crappy team won't and wasn't getting it done. ECNL and Thorns ( one age group) are great alternatives for the top 5%. The rest were just kicking each other and still will, even with the split and the addition of ECNL/The torms.
      There are not "ECNL teams" in the same way there are academy teams in Oregon. There are only teams from FC Portland and from some combined animal created between Crossfire and THUSC that play in the ECNL league. This is likely why the whole thing will struggle.

      The clubs that all the ECNL fans want to compare themselves to are mostly ECNL only. This sets up the consolidation where teams from one club to another.

      That won't happen as long as their is direct competition at any level.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        There are not "ECNL teams" in the same way there are academy teams in Oregon. There are only teams from FC Portland and from some combined animal created between Crossfire and THUSC that play in the ECNL league. This is likely why the whole thing will struggle.

        The clubs that all the ECNL fans want to compare themselves to are mostly ECNL only. This sets up the consolidation where teams from one club to another.

        That won't happen as long as their is direct competition at any level.
        Umm... not sure about that. That U14 FCP got a heck of a lot better in a couple of months. So of that could be contributed to only taking the top players from their old 'navy' team, but there has to have also been an influx of talent. You may wish that talent isn't going to either ECNL team, but it is.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Umm... not sure about that. That U14 FCP got a heck of a lot better in a couple of months. So of that could be contributed to only taking the top players from their old 'navy' team, but there has to have also been an influx of talent. You may wish that talent isn't going to either ECNL team, but it is.
          Umm... not so sure about that. The U14 FCP ECNL team got a heck of a lot better in only a couple of months. Some of that could be contributed to only taking the top players from their old 'navy' team, but there must be some influx of talent. You may wish that the talent isn't going to either ECNL club, but it would appear it is. At least at this age.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Depends.

            The split league sucks, but scrimmaging another crappy team won't and wasn't getting it done. ECNL and Thorns ( one age group) are great alternatives for the top 5%. The rest were just kicking each other and still will, even with the split and the addition of ECNL/The torms.
            Agreed. However, the issue is that 5% of all of the girls at one age group doesn't equal 36 players. And that doesn't include the Thorns. Put them in and it's 36 plus 9 at U16 and 9 at U17 so it's really 45 at those two age groups (I'm just splitting the Thorns numbers in half for the two age groups, the actual numbers are probably more like 12 at U17 and 6 at U16).

            To get to 36 (or 45) we had to dip into the top 15% or 20% in some ages. So, the top 5%, who are of top ability, are playing with a bunch of players who aren't of top ability. I know that everyone who is on one of these teams probably THINKS they are of top ability, but once they get onto the field and play against good competition, they will realize that they aren't there.

            I expect that next year, there will be a number of girls who are on these teams who end up not trying out again and either quit or just move back to lower level teams. For proof, take a look at some of the roster sizes for the Idaho ECNL teams. I think I saw one that had 14 or 15 players on it. Regardless of the ECNL team or the Thorns, parents are going to have serious talks with their dd's about spending a lot of money when the player really isn't at the level of ability to justify that spend.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Umm... not so sure about that. The U14 FCP ECNL team got a heck of a lot better in only a couple of months. Some of that could be contributed to only taking the top players from their old 'navy' team, but there must be some influx of talent. You may wish that the talent isn't going to either ECNL club, but it would appear it is. At least at this age.
              The best players on the FCP ECNL team dropped down from an older age group. The "influx of talent" came from within FCP for the most part. Sure, they added a few players from outside the club, but their best players were already there.

              What will happen next year is the best 3-4 players from the CU team will try to move to FCP, which will ruin any chances CU has of being even remotely competitive in this age group.

              This will become the standard in Oregon. Each year, one team will get better and the other will get worse. Both are expensive and the league they play in will be the same. If parents are going to spend that much money they will not stick around to be on a weak ECNL team if their daughter is good enough to make a better one.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The best players on the FCP ECNL team dropped down from an older age group. The "influx of talent" came from within FCP for the most part. Sure, they added a few players from outside the club, but their best players were already there.

                What will happen next year is the best 3-4 players from the CU team will try to move to FCP, which will ruin any chances CU has of being even remotely competitive in this age group.

                This will become the standard in Oregon. Each year, one team will get better and the other will get worse. Both are expensive and the league they play in will be the same. If parents are going to spend that much money they will not stick around to be on a weak ECNL team if their daughter is good enough to make a better one.
                If your dd is on a non competitive ECNL team then it's a waste of time and money.

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