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Consider the following figures: US Total deaths by year per the CDC:
2013: 2,596,993
2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630
2016: 2,744,248
2017: 2,813,503
2018: 2,839,205
2019: 2,855,000
2020: as of 11/14 total deaths= 2,512,880
Given that the number of deaths annually has remained fairly constant over the past few years, why aren’t we seeing a 200,000 person increase for 2020?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostConsider the following figures: US Total deaths by year per the CDC:
2013: 2,596,993
2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630
2016: 2,744,248
2017: 2,813,503
2018: 2,839,205
2019: 2,855,000
2020: as of 11/14 total deaths= 2,512,880
Given that the number of deaths annually has remained fairly constant over the past few years, why aren’t we seeing a 200,000 person increase for 2020?
2,590,000 as of 11/27
That is for 2/1 to 11/27 plus there is a lag of 6 weeks reporting to get to 99% of all deaths.
We will end up about 12% over or 300k excess deaths
However many of those excess deaths 100k plus are from lockdown & restrictions
What is more interesting is the demographics of all cause deaths are exactly the same as last five years. Meaning that by age, exactly the same, by sex, the same, by race, the same.
So even though we have excess deaths they are exactly the same proportional distribution as every year even with a new cause of death.
So younger & healthy people are not measurably effected (deaths) by CV.
The flu pandemic’s of 1918, 1958, & 1968 generated excess deaths in younger people. We are not seeing that at all.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNot accurate
2,590,000 as of 11/27
That is for 2/1 to 11/27 plus there is a lag of 6 weeks reporting to get to 99% of all deaths.
We will end up about 12% over or 300k excess deaths
However many of those excess deaths 100k plus are from lockdown & restrictions
What is more interesting is the demographics of all cause deaths are exactly the same as last five years. Meaning that by age, exactly the same, by sex, the same, by race, the same.
So even though we have excess deaths they are exactly the same proportional distribution as every year even with a new cause of death.
So younger & healthy people are not measurably effected (deaths) by CV.
The flu pandemic’s of 1918, 1958, & 1968 generated excess deaths in younger people. We are not seeing that at all.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYou need to drive down deeper. Numbers of deaths are heavily skewed with more deathe in the Northeast due to forcing people in smaller inside time windows ( restaurants closing early). Sending sick people into the vulnerable population was criminal. Everything the northeast has done has been a mistake.....but keep on focusing on hurting the youth. As you know, there breathing is killing people!!!.
Dry tinder & pull forward
Both occurred here in NE to result in higher death counts here.
This will balance next year with lower then average death counts.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat you are referring to is two issues
Dry tinder & pull forward
Both occurred here in NE to result in higher death counts here.
This will balance next year with lower then average death counts.
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Vents are truly the last resort in treatment now. Docs have learned a great deal about how to treat covid. Hospitals and care facilities have also learned a lot about managing case loads and preventing further spread - to the extent they can. The NE got slammed early because the lack of testing let it spread and bubble underneath the surface until it was too late. Scientists also weren't sure how it spread. Many mistakes were made.
But, despite all the learning and progress hospitals are slammed right now. They can only do so much when they're presented with so many sick people + all their other patients. They're having staffing issues and PPE issues (Hello Jared? Mr. Supply Chain?). Staff are burning out under the stress. Testing is still a disaster - people can't get tested and when they do it can take forever to get results. Some of the tests are rubbish. Yes the disease isn't as fatal as some in the media portend, but it is making a large number of people very sick.
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Hospitals slammed?
Where?
Given the time of year, flu season, hospitals occupancy is normal for the time of year.
Seasonal flu has been replaced with CV.
BTW - Hospitals need to run around 78% or better to make a profit.
Hospitals do not want empty beds.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHospitals slammed?
Where?
Given the time of year, flu season, hospitals occupancy is normal for the time of year.
Seasonal flu has been replaced with CV.
BTW - Hospitals need to run around 78% or better to make a profit.
Hospitals do not want empty beds.
We also have a vaccine for the flu and effective antivirals like Tamiflu that people can take without winding up in the hospital. We have neither with Covid. The very few treatments for Covid now aren't given until you're already quite ill and in the hospital
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostVents are truly the last resort in treatment now. Docs have learned a great deal about how to treat covid. Hospitals and care facilities have also learned a lot about managing case loads and preventing further spread - to the extent they can. The NE got slammed early because the lack of testing let it spread and bubble underneath the surface until it was too late. Scientists also weren't sure how it spread. Many mistakes were made.
But, despite all the learning and progress hospitals are slammed right now. They can only do so much when they're presented with so many sick people + all their other patients. They're having staffing issues and PPE issues (Hello Jared? Mr. Supply Chain?). Staff are burning out under the stress. Testing is still a disaster - people can't get tested and when they do it can take forever to get results. Some of the tests are rubbish. Yes the disease isn't as fatal as some in the media portend, but it is making a large number of people very sick.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostHospitals slammed?
Where?
Given the time of year, flu season, hospitals occupancy is normal for the time of year.
Seasonal flu has been replaced with CV.
BTW - Hospitals need to run around 78% or better to make a profit.
Hospitals do not want empty beds.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...helmed/617156/
Perhaps no hospital in the United States was better prepared for a pandemic than the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha.
After the SARS outbreak of 2003, its staff began specifically preparing for emerging infections. The center has the nation’s only federal quarantine facility and its largest biocontainment unit, which cared for airlifted Ebola patients in 2014. The people on staff had detailed pandemic plans. They ran drills. Ron Klain, who was President Barack Obama’s “Ebola czar” and will be Joe Biden’s chief of staff in the White House, once told me that UNMC is “arguably the best in the country” at handling dangerous and unusual diseases. There’s a reason many of the Americans who were airlifted from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in February were sent to UNMC.
In the past two weeks, the hospital had to convert an entire building into a COVID-19 tower, from the top down. It now has 10 COVID-19 units, each taking up an entire hospital floor. Three of the units provide intensive care to the very sickest people, several of whom die every day. One unit solely provides “comfort care” to COVID-19 patients who are certain to die. “We’ve never had to do anything like this,” Angela Hewlett, the infectious-disease specialist who directs the hospital’s COVID-19 team, told me. “We are on an absolutely catastrophic path.”
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/11/1...d-covid-cases/
https://www.wcia.com/news/indiana-ho...d-by-covid-19/
https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/he...9-abe88354bfce
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...hs/6267612002/
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostDoing just fine here in the south with almost no restrictions, double whammy for you, what gives? You must be doing something wrong up North? Trying to help. Maybe its your politicans?
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/lo...-days-of-data/
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostTrolling another state board? Yeah that's normal. If you're a FL troll, you're going up too
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/lo...-days-of-data/
Staffing protocols of mandatory quarenteen is an issue. But that is soley self inflicted policy.
Staff coming back from Florida are not going right back to work.
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