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    #31
    Funny enough there was a team in my daughter's age group that was going around beating up on low level township teams in those edp tournaments this summer. Literally no high-level club/well known town teams were in these things. Most of those teams were barely practicing but this team was winning all of these tournaments in the top bracket. As soon as the season actually started, they started losing. To make up for it, they've been playing in crappy tournaments to grab gotsoccer points. Needless to say, their social media pages are still going on about their high rank. While a high rank could indicate a decent team, don't take that for granted. Do you research.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      You’re correct but cmon how many people can fall for the nonsense that takes place over and over? I know this is rare but if you can find a place that is well run and you can trust that is key. You cannot imagine how much dishonesty exists in the pitches out there to get parents and kids to sign the dotted line. Even worse they tell these later dismissed kids that they are “college” level players yet they do no work what’s so ever to prepare and develop these players for that level.
      Might be oversimplifying but how about finding a coach who you can trust, talk to and is in it for the right reasons with the best interest of all the kids in mind. There are few and far out there, but ultimately so important. Way too many bs artists floating around. Just think the more players they bring in the more their jobs are secure and the more $ they make.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Might be oversimplifying but how about finding a coach who you can trust, talk to and is in it for the right reasons with the best interest of all the kids in mind. There are few and far out there, but ultimately so important. Way too many bs artists floating around. Just think the more players they bring in the more their jobs are secure and the more $ they make.
        Yes they are out there but as others have said many parents just to don't know what good coaching looks like. Their fallback position is go to performance. Clubs know it so they put the pressure on coaches to win and enter meaningless events to rack up points. All the leagues make it easy for clubs to hide what's really going on also. This happens a lot in the mid to lover level clubs and leagues. At the top level (ECNL and MLS) this isn't as necessary and coaching quality tends to be more consistent in quality

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          #34
          The answer to this question is, "It depends". When the players happen to be in a winning team, parents start feeling winning is everything and start complaining about players they consider as underperforming. When it is their own players cost the team, these same parents will start talking about winning isn't everything.

          When the parent is also the coach, this gets even worse. The coach's own kids must be the superstar in the team or the team isn't going to be a team.

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            #35
            Winning is everything no matter what age 8 or 18. Your either a winner or a loser it's pretty simple! If your not winning then get better, it's called work! Don't put in the time then results won't be there

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Winning is everything no matter what age 8 or 18. Your either a winner or a loser it's pretty simple! If your not winning then get better, it's called work! Don't put in the time then results won't be there
              Stupid statement and hopefully just a troll post trying to start an argument. There are plenty of excellent players who "put in the work" and play on teams (soccer is a team sport) that don't win. There are so many examples in professional sports, but you know that. An entire team can "put in the work" and still lose. If you see the world in such stark black and white terms, then I would hate to be your kid after they lose a game. No dinner for a week because you suck Suzy!!!!

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The answer to this question is, "It depends". When the players happen to be in a winning team, parents start feeling winning is everything and start complaining about players they consider as underperforming. When it is their own players cost the team, these same parents will start talking about winning isn't everything.

                When the parent is also the coach, this gets even worse. The coach's own kids must be the superstar in the team or the team isn't going to be a team.
                It's even better when a parent moves their kid from a winning team (4 or 5 levels down in edp or from a local league like jags) and then moves to a higher level team and all of a sudden winning doesn't happen so easily. Yes, the competition does get harder when you move up the scale.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Winning is everything no matter what age 8 or 18. Your either a winner or a loser it's pretty simple! If your not winning then get better, it's called work! Don't put in the time then results won't be there
                  Hey look Ricky Bobby entered the chat to show off how stupid he is.

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                    #39
                    Joke

                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Hey look Ricky Bobby entered the chat to show off how stupid he is.

                    Says the guys whose kids will live at home until 35 yo-

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Says the guys whose kids will live at home until 35 yo-
                      It's not our fault that you live with your parents still and need to project onto other people on an anonymous forum. You probably have never won anything in your life so need your kids to win to feel good about yourself.

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                        #41
                        French

                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        It's not our fault that you live with your parents still and need to project onto other people on an anonymous forum. You probably have never won anything in your life so need your kids to win to feel good about yourself.
                        Is this Jean Girard? Must be as the French like to surrender so it fits you perfectly.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Is this Jean Girard? Must be as the French like to surrender so it fits you perfectly.
                          Hey jerkoff, please stop with your stupid ****ing posts. Amazon and Oceanport are calling your name, asswipe.

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                            #43
                            Joke

                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Hey jerkoff, please stop with your stupid ****ing posts. Amazon and Oceanport are calling your name, asswipe.
                            Lighten up Francis. You must be a scream at parties and not too bright so don't even have that going for you.

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                              #44
                              introducing the mentality of playing to win should start to be slowly teached at u13/u14. No coach should be "coaching to win at all costs" It should be a slow process and only used sporadically whenever opportunities present themselves. So by the time you hit the high school ages u15 and up the players should have a good understanding as to why not just how.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Lighten up Francis. You must be a scream at parties and not too bright so don't even have that going for you.
                                Please stop with your posts. Do you find it necessary to ruin this forum for everyone? Please tell RT to schedule more games and practices so you'll have something to do with your time other than annoy every single person in here....

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