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Not a Job
Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAlmost all of the coaches don't do this for money but the love of the game. However do not think it has not become a job at some level. Parents have become way too involved which requires coaches to spend way too much time putting out fires and dealing with politics. The money they do make is usually less than minimum wage when you add up all the hours they put in.
However this is still not a job. Jobs are not fun. Playing soccer with kids is.
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I have coached for years and I can tell you that you can tell as early as age 7 who really has talent. Kids that were great at 7,8,9,10 years old stay great at 17,18,19 years old. I have never seen a mediocre kid at age 8 become a star talent at age 18[/QUOTE]
What a load of crap! Soccer is a late entry sport....that mediocre 8 year old could have talent, but never gets the chance because of coaches like you and team politics. Why don't you try training ALL the kids, not just the ones YOU think have talent, and see who the player is at 16.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI never said do not reach high, do not have unrealistic expectations. Look I like to draw but I will never be an artist no matter if Picasso him self was my coach. I have no talent. Sure I can get decent at best but talent trumps everything. The reality is the majority of kids do not have the talent to be D1 or DII and definitely will not go pro
I have coached for years and I can tell you that you can tell as early as age 7 who really has talent. Kids that were great at 7,8,9,10 years old stay great at 17,18,19 years old. I have never seen a mediocre kid at age 8 become a star talent at age 18
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Volunteer
Originally posted by Unregistered View PostCoaching kids is not a job. How misguided are coaches sucking the scraps off of the end of the table for a few dollars and calling it a job. Coaching kids is something that you do to give back to the game and help the next generation of players.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostSpoken like a parent who spends a lot of money/time on soccer and feels they are entitled. If you are not happy with your coach/club then leave. It's easy. Coaches shouldn't have to figure out parents personalities and how to deal with them. That's not their job.
I am very happy with our current coach, no reason for us to leave yet. But the club, I am not sure, it can improve a lot, but I have not much to gain from it, too late. Improvement is for their own business vision and benefit, Would help for our community and future kids/generation.
There are many articles on guiding coaches on how to deal with Community based sports programs and how to utilise parents as support resource/ collaboration than pushing them away/ avoidance. Go do some research and help yourself to be a better coach.
Why you should quit coaching: see the supporting evidence from "just a coach" referenced document:
Most experts and scholars agree that it is the attitudes and behaviors of coaches that determine the quality of the adolescent’s sport experience. Treasure (2007) writes: “The educational value of athletics is largely dependent on how the activity is structured, and in general, that means what the coach chooses to teach and model” (p. 33). Lopiano (1986) stated that possessing a teaching credential was not a self-evident qualification to
coach. Other scholars suggest non-trained coaches may do an adequate job teaching sport-specific skills (Sabock & Chandler-Garvin, 1986); however, they are likely deficient in other areas such as organizing practices, planning and implementing conditioning programs, caring for and preventing injuries, and using age-appropriate motivation techniques. Smith and Smoll (1996) added that positive coaching skills are learned through systemic
coaching education programs
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostQuote
I have coached for years and I can tell you that you can tell as early as age 7 who really has talent. Kids that were great at 7,8,9,10 years old stay great at 17,18,19 years old. I have never seen a mediocre kid at age 8 become a star talent at age 18
What a load of crap! Soccer is a late entry sport....that mediocre 8 year old could have talent, but never gets the chance because of coaches like you and team politics. Why don't you try training ALL the kids, not just the ones YOU think have talent, and see who the player is at 16.[/QUOTE]
Best post. Thank you.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat a load of crap! Soccer is a late entry sport....that mediocre 8 year old could have talent, but never gets the chance because of coaches like you and team politics. Why don't you try training ALL the kids, not just the ones YOU think have talent, and see who the player is at 16.
are the coaches volunteers or are they employed by the "parents" ?
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To answer the original OP, would anything change your post if the coach:
1) Hardly ever teaches tactics to the kids yet feels he can scream at every kid when the team doesn't play well despite having good players
2) Doesn't work on hardly anything during the week or gives the team a playing philosophy
3) Picks on certain kids more than others to the point of shattering their confidence or makes them play nervous
4) Cannot make up his mind about playing time or subs and destroys the team in mid competition
5) Refuses to listen to parents or discuss his wrong decisions even when it has clearly hurt the team
6) Has no creativity in his weekly training or runs the same practice week after week
7) Picks the wrong tournaments to play in or doesn't give the kids proper competition to grow
8) Cannot control himself or conducts himself like a professional from the sidelines
I could go on !
So the OP thinks he can dictate the rules when there are coaches out there that are not doing their jobs ?
OK, let's all just pay and shut our mouths while there are coaches out there like I described roaming the countryside....
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAnd what's yelling from the sidelines going to accomplish?
Most coaches who avoid parents also lack self-confidence and inferior complex issue. Most likely they will keep telling parents to Leave the team if you are not happy, but will not return their fees.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYelling or no-yelling does not matter. Throwing a banana from the audience to the players does not matter. As long as the Coach has what it takes to train the players to overcome these un-avoidable, un-controllable real life realities. Good-training results in good player development-player self-confidence and mental toughness. Good coaching decisions result in good player performance. Good player performance promotes good parent behaviour. Good parent behaviour gets more demand for that coach and command better respect. It is all relative.
Most coaches who avoid parents also lack self-confidence and inferior complex issue. Most likely they will keep telling parents to Leave the team if you are not happy, but will not return their fees.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYelling or no-yelling does not matter. Throwing a banana from the audience to the players does not matter. As long as the Coach has what it takes to train the players to overcome these un-avoidable, un-controllable real life realities. Good-training results in good player development-player self-confidence and mental toughness. Good coaching decisions result in good player performance. Good player performance promotes good parent behaviour. Good parent behaviour gets more demand for that coach and command better respect. It is all relative.
Most coaches who avoid parents also lack self-confidence and inferior complex issue. Most likely they will keep telling parents to Leave the team if you are not happy, but will not return their fees.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhen you spend money and time and effort, why not feel the entitlement? In't that the natural expectation? Why did you take the money?
I am very happy with our current coach, no reason for us to leave yet. But the club, I am not sure, it can improve a lot, but I have not much to gain from it, too late. Improvement is for their own business vision and benefit, Would help for our community and future kids/generation.
There are many articles on guiding coaches on how to deal with Community based sports programs and how to utilise parents as support resource/ collaboration than pushing them away/ avoidance. Go do some research and help yourself to be a better coach.
Why you should quit coaching: see the supporting evidence from "just a coach" referenced document:
Most experts and scholars agree that it is the attitudes and behaviors of coaches that determine the quality of the adolescent’s sport experience. Treasure (2007) writes: “The educational value of athletics is largely dependent on how the activity is structured, and in general, that means what the coach chooses to teach and model” (p. 33). Lopiano (1986) stated that possessing a teaching credential was not a self-evident qualification to
coach. Other scholars suggest non-trained coaches may do an adequate job teaching sport-specific skills (Sabock & Chandler-Garvin, 1986); however, they are likely deficient in other areas such as organizing practices, planning and implementing conditioning programs, caring for and preventing injuries, and using age-appropriate motivation techniques. Smith and Smoll (1996) added that positive coaching skills are learned through systemic
coaching education programs
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOf course, yelling matters. Good player performance promotes good parent behavior? So if the coaching doesn't meet your expectations, you're going to have a fit? Seriously, go back and read your own post. You are exactly why coaches don't get involved with parents.
There can be parents who can have all sort of fit and yelling problems. Assumption here is: THE COACH is trained and educated to deal with that. If he is not, does he/she belong there to be incharge of a team of KIDS?
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