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Originally posted by Unregistered View Post3 Kids, Several clubs - experience with both for profit (GPS) and not for profit clubs (a few different). So my for profit view is simply GPS (and maybe has nothing to do with their tax status). Other clubs had a reasonable roster size, and kept it steady throughout the season (from a financial perspective, the presumption is that the per player tuition covered the costs of the operations + whatever excess they we trying to achieve - presuming their was a $ motivation). For GPS (for profit), they started with a full roster size (at least 18 for 11v 11), but continually added throughout the season, and/or elevated players from a lower team that they felt they were in danger of losing to another club. Often bringing in players from outside GPS with promises of great things, only to see the players pay their fees, and sit on the bench, or be told that they were not going to play that week, and be shipped off to a regional team to get playing time (and oversaturating that team's roster). As others have stated, maybe the individual fees are in line with other clubs, but GPS will stack rosters with additional players to maximize revenue - impacting the playing time of all involved. And selling more and more overpriced kits on behalf of their marketing partners. So to be clear - the cost of the field rental, tournaments and coaches are the same whether their are 16 (as was the case with 2 of our kids clubs) on the roster or 22 (which is where GPS often got), yet GPS' revenue at 22 is 37.5% greater, with very little incremental cost (mostly pure profit for each incremental add to roster above the breakeven amount) - that is the difference between GPS (for profit), and many other clubs that I have seen.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View Post3 Kids, Several clubs - experience with both for profit (GPS) and not for profit clubs (a few different). So my for profit view is simply GPS (and maybe has nothing to do with their tax status). Other clubs had a reasonable roster size, and kept it steady throughout the season (from a financial perspective, the presumption is that the per player tuition covered the costs of the operations + whatever excess they we trying to achieve - presuming their was a $ motivation). For GPS (for profit), they started with a full roster size (at least 18 for 11v 11), but continually added throughout the season, and/or elevated players from a lower team that they felt they were in danger of losing to another club. Often bringing in players from outside GPS with promises of great things, only to see the players pay their fees, and sit on the bench, or be told that they were not going to play that week, and be shipped off to a regional team to get playing time (and oversaturating that team's roster). As others have stated, maybe the individual fees are in line with other clubs, but GPS will stack rosters with additional players to maximize revenue - impacting the playing time of all involved. And selling more and more overpriced kits on behalf of their marketing partners. So to be clear - the cost of the field rental, tournaments and coaches are the same whether their are 16 (as was the case with 2 of our kids clubs) on the roster or 22 (which is where GPS often got), yet GPS' revenue at 22 is 37.5% greater, with very little incremental cost (mostly pure profit for each incremental add to roster above the breakeven amount) - that is the difference between GPS (for profit), and many other clubs that I have seen.
I’m not trying to “win” an argument, just wanted to understand your claim - now i do.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostFigured this was BS so just checked the GPS Elite team in my daughter's age group, and they have 21 players on the roster according to gotsoccer. Maybe something here (parent on another club - no direct GPS experience, but my daughter has never been on a roster larger than 18)
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI think more research would need to be done in order to make a statement that this is GPS's business model. In our experience it's the opposite, we've never had a large team. Currently we have 15, an in years past we've never had more than 2-3 subs. Conversely we frequently have played teams with double (or close to) the starting lineup. Again that's just our experience. I haven't noticed a trend by club. and gotsoccer isn't a reliable source for roster numbers
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Club tuition is serious budget item for families, but it is only a a fraction of the overall cost of high-level club soccer. Factor all costs from Tuition, Kits, Tournament Travel, Tourney Fees, included vs additional camps, and everyday costs like commute mileage, lunch on the run, sweatshirts, cleats, under armour (you need that here) -- They are all same: alot.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostClub tuition is serious budget item for families, but it is only a a fraction of the overall cost of high-level club soccer. Factor all costs from Tuition, Kits, Tournament Travel, Tourney Fees, included vs additional camps, and everyday costs like commute mileage, lunch on the run, sweatshirts, cleats, under armour (you need that here) -- They are all same: alot.
Also...am I the only one that thinks $295 for a pair of soccer cleats that only last 5 months is crazy?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostI agree with your post. The cost of tuition is only a portion of the overall cost. I would also add that it depends on the level that you play...the kits and camps are always the same regardless of the level...but, if you do regional NPL then most regional tournaments are relatively inexpensive (Memorial Day or Thanksgiving are usual local)...if you do ECNL (using boys ECNL as an example) the travel and tournament cost goes up dramatically...tournaments require airfare and hotel (San Diego, Orlando, etc) and most games require long drives and hotels. I'm not complaining...just adding a little bit of personal insight.
Also...am I the only one that thinks $295 for a pair of soccer cleats that only last 5 months is crazy?
NPL typically does at least 3 of: Bethesda, Raleigh CASL, Richmond Jeff Cup, NJ PDA and some add Disney or Surf Cup in San Diego. AND you desperately hope to make NPL Finals and/or National Cup to spend a week (maybe 2!) in July in IN or CO
ECNL does 2 ECNL Showcase (FL Jan, and PHX Apr) PDA, and ECNL Playoffs in June.
in-season NPL travel can mostly be done as day trips, and ECNL demands one weekend a month drive to Long Island, NJ, etc.
Yes cleat prices ridiculous however Nike Store downtown will match offers available in Nike App. i saved $150 with this
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostMy experience with girls is that NPL tournaments were greater than ECNL.
NPL typically does at least 3 of: Bethesda, Raleigh CASL, Richmond Jeff Cup, NJ PDA and some add Disney or Surf Cup in San Diego. AND you desperately hope to make NPL Finals and/or National Cup to spend a week (maybe 2!) in July in IN or CO
ECNL does 2 ECNL Showcase (FL Jan, and PHX Apr) PDA, and ECNL Playoffs in June.
in-season NPL travel can mostly be done as day trips, and ECNL demands one weekend a month drive to Long Island, NJ, etc.
Yes cleat prices ridiculous however Nike Store downtown will match offers available in Nike App. i saved $150 with this
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNot really polling the experts when you refer to that store, are we?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostU19s would be HS Seniors (some committed, some not), but there may also be some 2001's playing on those teams (either as HS seniors or Juniors).
From the coaching perspective, most D1 recruiting is already done by this point for the 2019 class. From a D2 or D3 perspective, it will vary by school. Many schools like to have the core of their recruiting class 'committed' and to have already applied early decision at this point (i.e. their top 6). However, many of these schools will be looking to fill gaps in their lineup almost all the way through April, and not everyone who they try to get early decision pans out.
A lot of coaches are also starting to look at younger players, especially U16-17.
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