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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I’m talking about division one top 20 schools and I’m referring to GDA/ECNL best players on team.

    If you have been playing GDA/ECNL for 2-3 years and you are considered one of the better players , you are on top of the pyramid. You can hang with the speed and aggressive nature of college soccer. There isn’t really anything neyond that. Wait til the end of your junior year or beginning of senior year , reach out to your school of choice , mention that you ARE NOT commited and see what they offer. Coaches know the type of player they will get from these leagues. If they like what they see , they will withdraw a commitment they made to one of the other 40 girls and get you. Don’t sell yourself short. You may actually play and be a part of a team competing for a national championship.
    How much does this happen?

    I would think that if a top program gets a reputation for pulling offers late in the process, that kinda word gets out and will make recruiting in the future difficult.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      How much does this happen?

      I would think that if a top program gets a reputation for pulling offers late in the process, that kinda word gets out and will make recruiting in the future difficult.
      IT would...so many of these parents know very little of the recruiting process.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        IT would...so many of these parents know very little of the recruiting process.
        I thought so.

        Which would make a scenario like described in post #15 possible?

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          I’m talking about division one top 20 schools and I’m referring to GDA/ECNL best players on team.

          If you have been playing GDA/ECNL for 2-3 years and you are considered one of the better players , you are on top of the pyramid. You can hang with the speed and aggressive nature of college soccer. There isn’t really anything neyond that. Wait til the end of your junior year or beginning of senior year , reach out to your school of choice , mention that you ARE NOT commited and see what they offer. Coaches know the type of player they will get from these leagues. If they like what they see , they will withdraw a commitment they made to one of the other 40 girls and get you. Don’t sell yourself short. You may actually play and be a part of a team competing for a national championship.
          In our experience, committing early is the better route. The rare instances where a school doesn't honor a verbal commitment is when there is a change of Head Coaches.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Wait til the end of your junior year or beginning of senior year , reach out to your school of choice , mention that you ARE NOT commited and see what they offer.
            Until the end of junior or beginning of senior year? Um, Okay....

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Until the end of junior or beginning of senior year? Um, Okay....
              We started in KG.....hahahahahahahahahahaha...moron!

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                In our experience, committing early is the better route. The rare instances where a school doesn't honor a verbal commitment is when there is a change of Head Coaches.
                Granted it is a small sample, but I know of a few kids who have changed their commitment but only know of one school that did not honor a commitment (and it was indeed a new coach who did not honor the prior coaches "commitments"). I believe it is rare that the school does not honor the commitment, and more likely that the student backs out.

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                  #23
                  Or ,

                  Commit at freshman sophomore year , along with 50 Other girls and then half asz the rest of your club years , but you gotta make sure your club posts that one of their own products is COMMITED !!! show up for first day of college soccer practice , realize you ain’t getting lots if any playing time at all, hate the situation and quit halfway thru season 1

                  True story for most of the commits non scholarship kids. And since most non top 25 colleges don’t actually hold coaches accountable no one gives a crap and the mediocrity continues

                  Mock away

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    In our experience, committing early is the better route. The rare instances where a school doesn't honor a verbal commitment is when there is a change of Head Coaches.
                    Especially true if you want substantive money. The cash is limited and it goes fast. Committing early does have its risks - especially a coach change - but for the most part coaches don't rescind very often. Not being able to get in is a big reason why so keep up your grades and study for the SAT. A player may also not have continued to progress so continue to work your tail off. Nothing is official and guaranteed until you get admitted to the school and you sign your NLI. That stipulates you'll play for the school for X. With the exception of the top 5 conferences it's only good for one year. Plenty of players lose their $, and sometimes their spot altogether, in two years to the shiny new freshman.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Granted it is a small sample, but I know of a few kids who have changed their commitment but only know of one school that did not honor a commitment (and it was indeed a new coach who did not honor the prior coaches "commitments"). I believe it is rare that the school does not honor the commitment, and more likely that the student backs out.
                      Funny that a kid who commits in 9th grade might change her mind junior year once she's got a better idea of what she wants in a school or what major she wants, right?. The whole early system is absurd. It's bad for the kids and bad for programs. The NCAA instituted new rules that are supposed to help reduce early commits but there's enough loopholes to drive a Mac truck through them. The boys have a more rational timetable - usually about a full year later than girls.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Funny that a kid who commits in 9th grade might change her mind junior year once she's got a better idea of what she wants in a school or what major she wants, right?. The whole early system is absurd. It's bad for the kids and bad for programs. The NCAA instituted new rules that are supposed to help reduce early commits but there's enough loopholes to drive a Mac truck through them. The boys have a more rational timetable - usually about a full year later than girls.
                        Can you post the link to the new rules?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Can you post the link to the new rules?
                          Supposedly there are new rules being voted on / instituted in January of 2019, that will basically close all loopholes and make recruitment impossible till girls Junior year.

                          Right now...it is what it is. I don’t think anyone is thrilled to be recruiting 8th graders and freshman, but if some schools don’t, then they risk missing out on some top targets because plenty of schools are. It’s an arms race.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Especially true if you want substantive money. The cash is limited and it goes fast. Committing early does have its risks - especially a coach change - but for the most part coaches don't rescind very often. Not being able to get in is a big reason why so keep up your grades and study for the SAT. A player may also not have continued to progress so continue to work your tail off. Nothing is official and guaranteed until you get admitted to the school and you sign your NLI. That stipulates you'll play for the school for X. With the exception of the top 5 conferences it's only good for one year. Plenty of players lose their $, and sometimes their spot altogether, in two years to the shiny new freshman.
                            Agreed that the really good scholarship money goes fast (and early). One coach showed us her spreadsheet and it was very sophisticated. Projected out several years (by position) and tracking the current financial aid distribution. She had a "fully funded" program which gave her 12 full scholarships which she then awarded as partials that were spread across several recruiting classes. This happened to be a private school so it tracked for every player, $ from academic merit, $ from athletic, $ from endowment, $ from need, etc.

                            It was all very transparent, she turned her lap top around and explained it all. We could see exactly how her offer to our daughter compared to everyone else. We could also see that the offer would not be around for long and our daughter committed early in Junior year of H.S.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Supposedly there are new rules being voted on / instituted in January of 2019, that will basically close all loopholes and make recruitment impossible till girls Junior year.

                              Right now...it is what it is. I don’t think anyone is thrilled to be recruiting 8th graders and freshman, but if some schools don’t, then they risk missing out on some top targets because plenty of schools are. It’s an arms race.
                              The (current) new rules only have

                              - no "recruitment talk" if a player attends a on campus ID event until Sept 1 junior year (but they can still attend events at any time)
                              - no "recruitment talk" on campus with coaches until Sept 1 junior year (but you are free to visit the school at any time)
                              - no "offers" until Sept 1 junior year

                              The main loophole is players can still call coaches at any time and clubs can act as intermediaries at any time. Without a complete ban on any and all contact, directly , indirectly, no matter who initiates it, it will continue. Supposedly LAX changed their rules recently and they are more restrictive and soccer might adopt their rules. How much attention is paid to it for a sport like soccer? Doesn't seem like much. It's not like a top 10 basketball player getting recruited by every school in the country and people looking for schools to screw up.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Agreed that the really good scholarship money goes fast (and early). One coach showed us her spreadsheet and it was very sophisticated. Projected out several years (by position) and tracking the current financial aid distribution. She had a "fully funded" program which gave her 12 full scholarships which she then awarded as partials that were spread across several recruiting classes. This happened to be a private school so it tracked for every player, $ from academic merit, $ from athletic, $ from endowment, $ from need, etc.

                                It was all very transparent, she turned her lap top around and explained it all. We could see exactly how her offer to our daughter compared to everyone else. We could also see that the offer would not be around for long and our daughter committed early in Junior year of H.S.
                                We had similar experiences - as far as the coach being very open about "here is where we see your kid fitting in the program and here is what we can offer." Some of the earlier poster's on this thread that suggest you should hold off longer and try and get a better deal (better school, more money, etc.) are just flat out wrong or inexperienced. In almost all cases, the offers don't get better the longer you wait - they get worse. Unless you don't mind having your kid commit to Arkansas at the last minute for an extra $3,000.

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