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Can the Development Academy clubs train academy-style?

There is a new word in town "ACADEMY STYLE"
What the F is this nonsense.

Practice is practice. Using the phrase "Academy style" is BS from parents and coaches.

Can someone explain what this means?
If it means all practicing together, its still called a practice!

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There are some bitter parents swimming in the mist right now. Bottom line.. no room for B level team players at ADF. The bar is high and this club will continue to be a great non-DA avenue for elite players.

This club will be extinct in 3 years. Once you moronic parents realize you've been conned, ADF will have nowhere to go. Short term planning with unqualified staff. The outcome is pretty obvious.

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There is a new word in town "ACADEMY STYLE"
What the F is this nonsense.

Practice is practice. Using the phrase "Academy style" is BS from parents and coaches.

Can someone explain what this means?
If it means all practicing together, its still called a practice!

It's becoming as overused as the words "premier" and "elite". There is one and only one true "Academy" program. The rest are using it as a marketing tool

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This club will be extinct in 3 years. Once you moronic parents realize you've been conned, ADF will have nowhere to go. Short term planning with unqualified staff. The outcome is pretty obvious.

It will survive and be a place for premiere level players who want to play more than one sport. DA's quash on multi-sport athletes will make clubs like ADF thrive.

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Again, you must be kidding. A kid will not be elite if they are concerned with playing other sports. They can be good, talented but not elite while being a multisport player. Parents that think little Johnny can be a multisport kid and do piano and boys scouts and everything else and be elite in any of them you are flat wrong. In order to be elite the player must be driven. Self driven to be the best at one thing. Not good at several. A lot of people get on here and talk about elite or the lack of great soccer in Oregon. One of the major reasons is the lack of commitment. I want Johnny to an elite soccer player but play basketball too or High School Soccer. These things don't mix. In order to develop an elite player, first the player must be committed to doing everything they can to be elite, of course have talent, and have the support to achieve that goal. That support is the right coaches and training, the drive and desire to work hard every training session and hours on their own.

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There is a new word in town "ACADEMY STYLE"
What the F is this nonsense.

Practice is practice. Using the phrase "Academy style" is BS from parents and coaches.

Can someone explain what this means?
If it means all practicing together, its still called a practice!

While I won't argue at all that the term "academy style" is a bit of puffery--and that the word "academy" is close to meaningless in a soccer context, as any fool can start a soccer club and brand it an "academy", the term "academy style" does have a specific meaning:

An "academy style" club is one which doesn't have separate fixed "A", "B", and "C" teams. Instead, all the players of a given age group spend a significant amount of time training together, and assignments to the A, B, C squads are changed regularly, as determined by club needs ("we need a ringer to beat our rival's B team, so we are going to borrow Sam Superstar this weekend"), player development needs, or other external factors such as player X can't play next weekend because his family is attending a wedding or something like that. Different clubs calling themselves academy style may run things a bit differently, but that's the jist of it.

There are both advantages and disadvantages to this training style. In practice, the vast majority of players on many academy-style clubs find themselves sorted onto one of the various teams and spending all their weekends there; there's less movement than you might expect. Also, OYSA and USYSA do impose limitations on roster changes for teams heading to State Cup and beyond--a team without a sufficiently large stable core may find itself ineligible. And non-academy clubs frequently see much cross-pollination at practice, as dedicated players show up to training sessions other in addition to the one they are assigned to.

Giving examples--FC Portland is, as I understand it, an academy style program. Westside Timbers is not.

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There are two sides to that argument. Given about 7 percent of athletes go on to play in college and only 3 percent of those get scholarships, heres a short article with the four bullet points. Usually it's parents the drive single sport. Not the kids. http://www.stack.com/a/4-reasons-why...ollege-coaches

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Definitions vs local club feed nonsense that is filtered into laughable parent propaganda on anonymous chat boards.

Definitions

Team
a group of players forming one side in a competitive game or sport.

What is a football academy?
A football academy is part of the football club set up to develop footballing talent. It's most easily thought of as a training school. A place where students learn their craft, in this case football.

What is an academy team in soccer?
The Development Academy is a partnership between U.S. Soccer and the top youth clubs around the country to provide the best youth players in the U.S. with an every day environment designed to produce the next generation of National Team players.

*Moving players between teams within a club during a playing season and training them all together is an elective choice made by some pretentious clubs in the local area. Most of the time it has to do with logistics, staffing and field availability and provides a source of consistent revenue from a pool of 40+ players to subsidize the operation of a classic soccer club. It's actually a business model template masqueraded as a slogan called 'academy style' In the end who cares, it's how they pay they bills.

Nice 'style' points.

While I won't argue at all that the term "academy style" is a bit of puffery--and that the word "academy" is close to meaningless in a soccer context, as any fool can start a soccer club and brand it an "academy", the term "academy style" does have a specific meaning:

An "academy style" club is one which doesn't have separate fixed "A", "B", and "C" teams. Instead, all the players of a given age group spend a significant amount of time training together, and assignments to the A, B, C squads are changed regularly, as determined by club needs ("we need a ringer to beat our rival's B team, so we are going to borrow Sam Superstar this weekend"), player development needs, or other external factors such as player X can't play next weekend because his family is attending a wedding or something like that. Different clubs calling themselves academy style may run things a bit differently, but that's the jist of it.

There are both advantages and disadvantages to this training style. In practice, the vast majority of players on many academy-style clubs find themselves sorted onto one of the various teams and spending all their weekends there; there's less movement than you might expect. Also, OYSA and USYSA do impose limitations on roster changes for teams heading to State Cup and beyond--a team without a sufficiently large stable core may find itself ineligible. And non-academy clubs frequently see much cross-pollination at practice, as dedicated players show up to training sessions other in addition to the one they are assigned to.

Giving examples--FC Portland is, as I understand it, an academy style program. Westside Timbers is not.

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This club will be extinct in 3 years. Once you moronic parents realize you've been conned, ADF will have nowhere to go. Short term planning with unqualified staff. The outcome is pretty obvious.

(ADF) will be gone from the OYSA 'club' landscape by May of 2018 if not sooner.

No infrastructure, no BOD, no coaching director, no fields and no leadership.

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Again, you must be kidding. A kid will not be elite if they are concerned with playing other sports. They can be good, talented but not elite while being a multisport player. Parents that think little Johnny can be a multisport kid and do piano and boys scouts and everything else and be elite in any of them you are flat wrong. In order to be elite the player must be driven. Self driven to be the best at one thing. Not good at several. A lot of people get on here and talk about elite or the lack of great soccer in Oregon. One of the major reasons is the lack of commitment. I want Johnny to an elite soccer player but play basketball too or High School Soccer. These things don't mix. In order to develop an elite player, first the player must be committed to doing everything they can to be elite, of course have talent, and have the support to achieve that goal. That support is the right coaches and training, the drive and desire to work hard every training session and hours on their own.

Who cares? Many parents and athletes are smart enough to see they won't ever be "elite" no matter what they do. Very few athletes will ever be elite. It not only takes dedication but a certain bit of genetics and luck as well. If you don't think that's their path and their passion, then why force them to give other interests up?

There are some college coaches who are broadening their search for talented multi sport athletes. Some sports compliment each other nicely. Also, many NT players were multisport athletes usually up to but sometimes even including HS. Virtually none were DA on the boys side (certainly not girls as it doesn't exist yet). Yes I know in other countries top players don't play other sports. But we're not other countries in terms of our interest in many sports, and 99.99999% of US soccer players will never play professionally or be on the national teams. One of many reasons DA should be much smaller and more focused on the .05% (or so) vs trying to have big leagues that grab many players who aren't as committed or as talented.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/sp....html?emc=eta1

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*Moving players between teams within a club during a playing season and training them all together is an elective choice made by some pretentious clubs in the local area. Most of the time it has to do with logistics, staffing and field availability and provides a source of consistent revenue from a pool of 40+ players to subsidize the operation of a classic soccer club. It's actually a business model template masqueraded as a slogan called 'academy style' In the end who cares, it's how they pay they bills.

Hey, I'm neither defending nor condemning academy style programs--simply noting what the term means in common parlance. As the term "academy" is not regulated, the apparent suggestion that only those clubs managed or affiliated with either a pro team or a national program ought to use those terms for their elite training programs, is met with rolled eyes.

And the observation about clubs with 40 kids is every bit as true at classically-organized clubs as it is at academy-style clubs. Chances are, if your kid is on the C team, your dues are--at least in part-- subsidizing the A team, who will receive more and better training opportunities, higher-level coaches, etc., often for the same fee. Of course, C-teamers won't have near the travel expenses and time commitment of A-teamers, and a few clubs (WT FC is one, or at least this was true in the past) charge the C-teamers less, but in many clubs, first-team players receive more attention from the staff than do third-team players, for the same amount of money.

Of course, if you go to other countries, where pro clubs running academies is the expected order of things, the term "academy" has more import. The top players who can get into such academies often have their training subsidized, much of everything else resembles rec in how it's organized and run--and it is anticipated and expected that kids who play organized soccer already know how to play the game. Also, street/pickup games are far, far, far more common. The notion that the lowly-paid coaching staff at Suburban FC will transform Johnny into the next Pele is rightfully considered absurd--and if a young Pele is indeed encountered, he is referred to the local academy team.

To quote one infamous local DoC after his club's A team got their butts whooped in a match: "You think you're special? Your parents still pay me to teach you to play soccer. Until someone is paying you instead of the other way around, you ain't special."

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Who cares? Many parents and athletes are smart enough to see they won't ever be "elite" no matter what they do. Very few athletes will ever be elite. It not only takes dedication but a certain bit of genetics and luck as well. If you don't think that's their path and their passion, then why force them to give other interests up?

There are some college coaches who are broadening their search for talented multi sport athletes. Some sports compliment each other nicely. Also, many NT players were multisport athletes usually up to but sometimes even including HS. Virtually none were DA on the boys side (certainly not girls as it doesn't exist yet). Yes I know in other countries top players don't play other sports. But we're not other countries in terms of our interest in many sports, and 99.99999% of US soccer players will never play professionally or be on the national teams. One of many reasons DA should be much smaller and more focused on the .05% (or so) vs trying to have big leagues that grab many players who aren't as committed or as talented.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/sp....html?emc=eta1

If you're a man and you're playing college soccer--chances are you're not elite. Truly elite male players move directly from youth soccer to the pros, often before they turn 18. This isn't football or basketball, where the top pro league won't take anyone who isn't a year or two out of high school.

There are exceptions--Jordan Morris comes to mind, who could have turned pro at any time while at Stanford but chose to complete his education. Nagbe has turned into a good MLS player--but given that he's now 26, he's probably reached his peak as a player--any further improvements to his touch will be counteracted by deterioration of his body. One wonders what might have happened had a pro club taken an interest coming out of HS, rather than spending four years at Akron.

The situation for girls and women is different, obviously.

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If you're a man and you're playing college soccer--chances are you're not elite. Truly elite male players move directly from youth soccer to the pros, often before they turn 18. This isn't football or basketball, where the top pro league won't take anyone who isn't a year or two out of high school.

There are exceptions--Jordan Morris comes to mind, who could have turned pro at any time while at Stanford but chose to complete his education. Nagbe has turned into a good MLS player--but given that he's now 26, he's probably reached his peak as a player--any further improvements to his touch will be counteracted by deterioration of his body. One wonders what might have happened had a pro club taken an interest coming out of HS, rather than spending four years at Akron.

The situation for girls and women is different, obviously.

True. What is your take on the state of soccer for the girls/women?

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True. What is your take on the state of soccer for the girls/women?

Should be obvious--professional opportunities are far less numerous and far less lucrative, and thanks to Title IX (and the need to offset football with equal dollars for women), college play is more lucrative than it is for men (more scholarships available). So far more elite players find themselves playing college ball.

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Hey, I'm neither defending nor condemning academy style programs-"

Let's be real clear about this, just because you came up with the notion of some cosmic fiction called 'academy style' doesn't make it real. You can assign any characteristic you want to these fantasy clubs that do it 'academy style' it simply funnier than hell and a complete fabrication of reality.

There are only (2) USDA Academy Programs in Oregon sponsored by the Portland Timbers and soon the Portland Thorns for boys and girls.

Local clubs in a soon to be defunct u12 Boys USDA sponsored league are not Academy teams or clubs. For the record.

And the observation about clubs with 40 kids is every bit as true at classically-organized clubs as it is at academy-style clubs.

Every club registered with OYSA (which nearly all are now) is either a Recreational club stand-alone, Classic Stand-alone or the combination of both Recreational & Classic.

Once again no Oregon youth 501c3 club has been or will ever be an 'academy-style' program, first off they don't exist and only the Portland Timbers & Thorns can lay claim to being a USDA Academy club. as deemed by US Soccer. In addition they cover the costs (invest) in all their players nearly the entire cost surrounding participation and parents don't have to pay for; fields, training, travel, per-diem, referee fees, league fees, balls, uniforms, training equipment, locker rooms etc... they pay the freight for each member player. No pay to play model club in Oregon will ever do that for it's local membership and US Soccer will never make any of our clubs 'Academy' clubs due to lack of coaching resources and lack of achievement on the field and a history of producing next level (pro players)

Chances are, if your kid is on the C team, your dues are--at least in part-- subsidizing the A team, who will receive more and better training opportunities, higher-level coaches, etc., often for the same fee. Of course, C-teamers won't have near the travel expenses and time commitment of A-teamers, and a few clubs (WT FC is one, or at least this was true in the past) charge the C-teamers less, but in many clubs, first-team players receive more attention from the staff than do third-team players, for the same amount of money.

Just so you know each and every Oregon classic-only club has all it's fees paid by parents, for each and every level of player, all the fees collected go into the operation of the club as revenue, what the net-profit ends up, if any, actually subsidizes whatever club programs they choose, as mandated by the IRS for a non-profit 501c3 status.

Basically a blanket ignorant statement that the c-teamers are at least in part-- subsidizing an A team is a best a ridiculous myth. Unless you have proof otherwise and again each club runs differently and could be using the profit heavy arm of their recreational programs and tournaments to pay scholarships for 'A' teamers. In the end most if not all classic programs expenses match revenues or even run at a loss, even the ones that are well funded and managed, it's just the nature of the beast.

Of course, if you go to other countries, where pro clubs running academies is the expected order of things, the term "academy" has more import. The top players who can get into such academies often have their training subsidized, much of everything else resembles rec in how it's organized and run--and it is anticipated and expected that kids who play organized soccer already know how to play the game. Also, street/pickup games are far, far, far more common. The notion that the lowly-paid coaching staff at Suburban FC will transform Johnny into the next Pele is rightfully considered absurd--and if a young Pele is indeed encountered, he is referred to the local academy team.

You just described how it works in Oregon with the Portland Timbers & Thorns Academy model. You get it on this level.

To quote one infamous local DoC after his club's A team got their butts whooped in a match: "You think you're special? Your parents still pay me to teach you to play soccer. Until someone is paying you instead of the other way around, you ain't special."

Sounds like the guy doesn't like losing which is OK, what's his development plan?