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    FC Portland = ⚰️

    The Club that Clive built appears to be in a sorry state.

    Its six ECNL teams have a combined record of 12-28-6 and a combined goal differential of -50. Only the U16 team has a winning record (4-2-2, +6), take them out and the record is 8-26-4 and -56. Their U12 girls first team--the girls that will play ECNL next year--finished fifth in spring league. Their girls' program, in other words, is a sorry state.

    Things are a bit better on the boys side, where they have 2 first-place teams in winter league, and their 05 boys are poised to "win" the 05 Oregon DA. (Officially this is a development league which awards no trophy and keeps no standings, even though it does publish game results). But even there, a coaching exodus is underway, as at least two coaches have left the club for league rivals, and rumors abound of players wanting out. Plus the 05 boys team, which last year played beautiful football on the way to an OYSA State Cup, lately is playing the worst sort of bootball--and there are rumors of a coaching staff that is unable or unwilling to discipline the sideline, lest the star player up and leave.

    If you look at the club website, the picture on the front page is a guy who has been dead for fifteen years, and who is no doubt rolling over in his grave at what is now going on. The club has lost it's identity. It's longstanding affiliation with the University of Portland is on the ropes, particularly after the firing of Garrett Smith. And it's connection with the City of Portland is becoming frayed, as it continues to make it's home ground way out in Hillsboro and thus more and more becomes a Washington County club. Expect this trend to increase as the NEU/BSC merger completes this spring and United PDX becomes, along with PCU, the top club choices for kids in Portland.

    What community does the club now serve? Is it simply an anti-Timbers club, one that exists to thumb its nose at whatever happens at Providence Park, and has a swoosh rather than stripes on its kit? Is it trying to market superior coaching and development, or is it depending on affiliations with "elite" leagues (Boys DA, ECNL) to recruit talent that was formed elsewhere, but looking for more exposure? What is the club's value proposition--why should a boy go there rather than Westside, Crossfire, ADF, PCU, or United PDX? Why should a girl prefer FC to THUSC or Crossifre (or Westside TS, for that matter)?

    The club is at a crossroads. As one of the longest-existing youth clubs in town, it has long enjoyed a good reputation, and an association with one of the region's great soccer minds. But about half of it's players were born after Clive Charles passed away, and the rest were small children when he passed on; he's but a face in a history book. Unlike Seattle, where state association policies ensure the blue-chip clubs a place atop the local soccer pyramid, it's dog-eat-dog in the local club scene; and the competition smells blood in the water.

    If FC is not careful, the club might join its founder in the great beyond.

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    The Club that Clive built appears to be in a sorry state.

    Its six ECNL teams have a combined record of 12-28-6 and a combined goal differential of -50. Only the U16 team has a winning record (4-2-2, +6), take them out and the record is 8-26-4 and -56. Their U12 girls first team--the girls that will play ECNL next year--finished fifth in spring league. Their girls' program, in other words, is a sorry state.

    Things are a bit better on the boys side, where they have 2 first-place teams in winter league, and their 05 boys are poised to "win" the 05 Oregon DA. (Officially this is a development league which awards no trophy and keeps no standings, even though it does publish game results). But even there, a coaching exodus is underway, as at least two coaches have left the club for league rivals, and rumors abound of players wanting out. Plus the 05 boys team, which last year played beautiful football on the way to an OYSA State Cup, lately is playing the worst sort of bootball--and there are rumors of a coaching staff that is unable or unwilling to discipline the sideline, lest the star player up and leave.

    If you look at the club website, the picture on the front page is a guy who has been dead for fifteen years, and who is no doubt rolling over in his grave at what is now going on. The club has lost it's identity. It's longstanding affiliation with the University of Portland is on the ropes, particularly after the firing of Garrett Smith. And it's connection with the City of Portland is becoming frayed, as it continues to make it's home ground way out in Hillsboro and thus more and more becomes a Washington County club. Expect this trend to increase as the NEU/BSC merger completes this spring and United PDX becomes, along with PCU, the top club choices for kids in Portland.

    What community does the club now serve? Is it simply an anti-Timbers club, one that exists to thumb its nose at whatever happens at Providence Park, and has a swoosh rather than stripes on its kit? Is it trying to market superior coaching and development, or is it depending on affiliations with "elite" leagues (Boys DA, ECNL) to recruit talent that was formed elsewhere, but looking for more exposure? What is the club's value proposition--why should a boy go there rather than Westside, Crossfire, ADF, PCU, or United PDX? Why should a girl prefer FC to THUSC or Crossifre (or Westside TS, for that matter)?

    The club is at a crossroads. As one of the longest-existing youth clubs in town, it has long enjoyed a good reputation, and an association with one of the region's great soccer minds. But about half of it's players were born after Clive Charles passed away, and the rest were small children when he passed on; he's but a face in a history book. Unlike Seattle, where state association policies ensure the blue-chip clubs a place atop the local soccer pyramid, it's dog-eat-dog in the local club scene; and the competition smells blood in the water.

    If FC is not careful, the club might join its founder in the great beyond.
    Not just about stats. Many or most of us are happy with the experiences our children get. Some of the best coaches come from Fc including Mike Depinna.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      The Club that Clive built appears to be in a sorry state.

      Its six ECNL teams have a combined record of 12-28-6 and a combined goal differential of -50. Only the U16 team has a winning record (4-2-2, +6), take them out and the record is 8-26-4 and -56. Their U12 girls first team--the girls that will play ECNL next year--finished fifth in spring league. Their girls' program, in other words, is a sorry state.

      Things are a bit better on the boys side, where they have 2 first-place teams in winter league, and their 05 boys are poised to "win" the 05 Oregon DA. (Officially this is a development league which awards no trophy and keeps no standings, even though it does publish game results). But even there, a coaching exodus is underway, as at least two coaches have left the club for league rivals, and rumors abound of players wanting out. Plus the 05 boys team, which last year played beautiful football on the way to an OYSA State Cup, lately is playing the worst sort of bootball--and there are rumors of a coaching staff that is unable or unwilling to discipline the sideline, lest the star player up and leave.

      If you look at the club website, the picture on the front page is a guy who has been dead for fifteen years, and who is no doubt rolling over in his grave at what is now going on. The club has lost it's identity. It's longstanding affiliation with the University of Portland is on the ropes, particularly after the firing of Garrett Smith. And it's connection with the City of Portland is becoming frayed, as it continues to make it's home ground way out in Hillsboro and thus more and more becomes a Washington County club. Expect this trend to increase as the NEU/BSC merger completes this spring and United PDX becomes, along with PCU, the top club choices for kids in Portland.

      What community does the club now serve? Is it simply an anti-Timbers club, one that exists to thumb its nose at whatever happens at Providence Park, and has a swoosh rather than stripes on its kit? Is it trying to market superior coaching and development, or is it depending on affiliations with "elite" leagues (Boys DA, ECNL) to recruit talent that was formed elsewhere, but looking for more exposure? What is the club's value proposition--why should a boy go there rather than Westside, Crossfire, ADF, PCU, or United PDX? Why should a girl prefer FC to THUSC or Crossifre (or Westside TS, for that matter)?

      The club is at a crossroads. As one of the longest-existing youth clubs in town, it has long enjoyed a good reputation, and an association with one of the region's great soccer minds. But about half of it's players were born after Clive Charles passed away, and the rest were small children when he passed on; he's but a face in a history book. Unlike Seattle, where state association policies ensure the blue-chip clubs a place atop the local soccer pyramid, it's dog-eat-dog in the local club scene; and the competition smells blood in the water.

      If FC is not careful, the club might join its founder in the great beyond.
      Wow. You really have an ax to grind. Kind of sad. Never had a kid play for FCP and I don’t care if they thrive, stagnate, or fold up. But I guess you must have some reason to care so much.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Wow. You really have an ax to grind. Kind of sad. Never had a kid play for FCP and I don’t care if they thrive, stagnate, or fold up. But I guess you must have some reason to care so much.
        More than likely an upset thorns mom... knock knock who's there ?

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          More than likely an upset thorns mom... knock knock who's there ?
          Well I’m just some parent from a little TA club and I can’t imagine caring enough about another club’s doings enough to write that giant brick of text. Anger or hatred or jealously is energizing I guess.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Well I’m just some parent from a little TA club and I can’t imagine caring enough about another club’s doings enough to write that giant brick of text. Anger or hatred or jealously is energizing I guess.
            Yeah that's too much writing I couldn't even read most of it that in itself is energizing to read

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Well I’m just some parent from a little TA club and I can’t imagine caring enough about another club’s doings enough to write that giant brick of text. Anger or hatred or jealously is energizing I guess.
              It is a pretty little result club if that's what you meant.

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                #8
                Fc Portland is losing coaches like someone has a disease over there. The state of the girls program is in shambles. The best girls coach is coaching a B team while the A team coaches are all second rate.

                Fc Portland is pretty notorious for having coaches like LS who simply don't put the time and effort in as their competition.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Fc Portland is losing coaches like someone has a disease over there. The state of the girls program is in shambles. The best girls coach is coaching a B team while the A team coaches are all second rate.

                  Fc Portland is pretty notorious for having coaches like LS who simply don't put the time and effort in as their competition.
                  Just as the playing talent is spread out since the Clive says, so is the coaching talent.

                  It used to be that all the top kids went to where the top Coaches were.

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                    #10
                    Is it simply an anti-Timbers club, one that exists to thumb its nose at whatever happens at Providence Park, and has a swoosh rather than stripes on its kit?

                    FC is not perfect, but they have backbone.

                    Any grown-up with backbone involved in Oregon youth soccer should be objecting to the Timbers' involvement in OYSA/etc.

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                      #11
                      this just points to the fact that it's time to leave ECNL in order to concentrate on winning state every year. DO IT FCP

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                        #12
                        FC Jersey Tug

                        Recently watched an FCP ECNL team play a smaller, slower team in State Cup last weekend. FC had a large squad of big, talented players. The smaller, slower team had some good players, but was way out-gunned. It was really disappointing to see that whenever a player on the smaller team used skill or speed to break away, the FC team immediately resorted to jersey pulling - sometimes 2-3 kids grabbing the jersey of the opponent slipping away. This behavior despite FC being up a goal or more the entire game. Poor sportsmanship to this extent makes one wonder if the kids had been coached to jersey tug as Plan B. Not a good advert for FC

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                          #13
                          I wonder if there's a state in the Union that has a greater ratio of "concern over sportsmanship" to "soccer ability" than Oregon.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            this just points to the fact that it's time to leave ECNL in order to concentrate on winning state every year. DO IT FCP
                            Or at least get fourth place.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Or at least get fourth place.
                              FC Portland ECNL 2001 was THIRD place in OYSA Premier, not fourth. Let's keep that garbage in the Girls 2001 thread where it belongs. They got skunked in state cup for years but that is not important.

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