ECNL standings - FACTS

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Quantifiable, measurable and comparable proof of individual player improvement....let's start with that.

Perhaps if that were the barometer, and the only true important one in youth soccer, we could see if CFC's successes were based on creating a learning and growth culture for its players, or if it was just able to aggregate better players from the beginning. Would show us the same thing for FSA.

All other barometers are merely marketing points that lure your money into the big clubs.

I think you should review the original post you were replying to...here it is for you...

Twere it were so simple.

IF, as u say, FSA was all about development over winning, then how would that manifest itself in measurable results? Which metric would reveal that?

Girls/alumni on the US rosters at various ages?
Alumni playing at D1 or D3 soccer powerhouses?
Alumni playing at academic powerhouses (having parlayed their soccer skills into admission credit)?
Alumni winning college all-conference honors?
Alumni getting playing time (or just being on the stated roster “wink”) in college?

Please tell us which of these (or any other metric) we can use that doesn’t end up at the same result...to wit, CFC doesn’t need to bash FSA.

Look to the East, FSA-mom, there’s a club that can benefit from bashing your club.

See the question marks at the end of those first couple of lines...he's asking YOU which metric you'd like to use to justify YOUR claim that FSA develops players. He's putting the onus on YOU to defend YOUR statement with, as you so eloquently said, "Quantifiable, measurable and comparable proof of individual player improvement."

He then offered up options (again in the form of a question) about metrics that might be quantifiable, measurable and comparable to validate that, indeed, FSA develops players. Since the metrics offered don't seem to match your stringent criteria, which metric shows that FSA is really developing players by comparison to CFC?

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The ECNL end-of-season national event is really three different events:
Champions League = the A Bracket
North American League = the B bracket
Showcase = the C bracket

Without argument, most of the College coaches/scouts that attend the event will have more than their hands full just trying to see all the A bracket games that occur. But there will be some exposure for the B bracket, and maybe even a straggler or two at a C-game.

As the ECNL is all about college exposure and this event is the jewel in the crown, a parent wants to be there in the highest bracket possible to help justify the large expense of just being on the team all year.

So...

FSA will be sending:
A Bracket - U15*
B Bracket - U17
C Bracket - (none)

CFC will be sending:
A Bracket - U14, U16, U17
B Bracket - (none)
C Bracket - U15



*If the FC Stars or Bethesda can win their last 3 conference games they will bump FSA U15's out of the A Bracket and into the B bracket.

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FSA will be sending:
A Bracket - U15*
B Bracket - U17
C Bracket - (none)

CFC will be sending:
A Bracket - U14, U16, U17
B Bracket - (none)
C Bracket - U15

So to summarize, in the most important age group for college recruiting:
CFC team will be playing in the "A" bracket
FSA team will be playing in the "B" bracket

Gotcha, Thanks

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I’m still trying to figure out which club is better.

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The ECNL end-of-season national event is really three different events:
Champions League = the A Bracket
North American League = the B bracket
Showcase = the C bracket

Without argument, most of the College coaches/scouts that attend the event will have more than their hands full just trying to see all the A bracket games that occur. But there will be some exposure for the B bracket, and maybe even a straggler or two at a C-game.

As the ECNL is all about college exposure and this event is the jewel in the crown, a parent wants to be there in the highest bracket possible to help justify the large expense of just being on the team all year.

So...

FSA will be sending:
A Bracket - U15*
B Bracket - U17
C Bracket - (none)

CFC will be sending:
A Bracket - U14, U16, U17
B Bracket - (none)
C Bracket - U15



*If the FC Stars or Bethesda can win their last 3 conference games they will bump FSA U15's out of the A Bracket and into the B bracket.

CFC U15 could jump into the B bracket with a decent showing at PDA and a win over World Class. Schedule favors them.

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The 16’s and 17’s are the most important age groups for recruiting. The CFC 17’s have almost all their girls placed for college. The 16’s are close to halfway done. I’m sure FSA teams are as well off as CFC.

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The ECNL end-of-season national event is really three different events:
Champions League = the A Bracket
North American League = the B bracket
Showcase = the C bracket

Without argument, most of the College coaches/scouts that attend the event will have more than their hands full just trying to see all the A bracket games that occur. But there will be some exposure for the B bracket, and maybe even a straggler or two at a C-game.

As the ECNL is all about college exposure and this event is the jewel in the crown, a parent wants to be there in the highest bracket possible to help justify the large expense of just being on the team all year.

So...

FSA will be sending:
A Bracket - U15*
B Bracket - U17
C Bracket - (none)

CFC will be sending:
A Bracket - U14, U16, U17
B Bracket - (none)
C Bracket - U15



*If the FC Stars or Bethesda can win their last 3 conference games they will bump FSA U15's out of the A Bracket and into the B bracket.

Rubbish. Coaches will go to see players they are interested, no matter the bracket. You do realize that Internationals who failed to make any of the top 2 brackets last year have several kids on YNTS from U18-u20 and one who is in contention to go to the WC with the U-20s right

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Explain specifically the role CFC directly played in getting these kids into NT camps. More smoke from the marketing department.

Here's How. Clarke gets on the USSF coaching staff as both a scout and as the U17 WNT assistant. Buddies with mark Carr. The USSF then pretty much gives him a free pass. He recommends a kid, they get invited to national camp. Same with JD at Stars he WAS on the USSF staff, when he was he got any kid in he wanted to. SO arrogant as to even brag about it to parents of kids he was trying to recruit to Stars. He even was able to keep kids out. Another coach, say PDA recommends a kid the USSF head coach for the age group scrutinize the kid and for reasons often not even associated with their talent may say, "not this time".

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Im with you. parent of a current YNT player, not from CT. here are my observations on YNT camps inclusion and they vary fas you get older. so let say U-17 and below

1. Huge input from April Kater
2. Talent - although its more her seeing something in the player. Others may not see it
3. Ability to be a US soccer person in camp - ie display the values they seem to want. This has very little to do with talent. More like morphing into what they want. rah rah , die for the cause etc
4. Birth year. It helps to fit in wth WC cycles as for example 2000s have to be young U17 WCuppers becasue when they are 17, they are too old for the WC this year.

At young ages, how you did in your first camp can often set the agenda for the rest. Ive seen kids get repeated call ups who are not getting better as well as kids who are killing them get no looks at all.

U-17 and above there is some carry over form the past, but teh slate does clean a bit. Nowadays, tactical fit is really being stressed as they go to a 433 pressing model.

Bottom line is, you can do all the things tha CFC guy suggests and still not get a call up for all sortsd of reasons tha make no sense. Its not the case that teh best are in camp and the rest are not.

I know first hand. I have seen my kid called in when she was not playing well and excluded when she was lighting it up. Ive seen her score goals in international games and not get recalled. ive seen her be the best player on the field according to TDS and other sources and not get called in to the next camp. Ive seen her called into camp having not played a league game in 2 months.

Anyone who thinks it a great measure is not telling the truth. there is a lot of nepotism involved. if a kid benefiting from that happens to play your position, then there si on less spot. they take kids and pick them at forward, then defense within 3 camps.

Just look at the Internationals rise and how it coincides with Keri Sarver becoming a coach of theYNTs

True that ^^
Thanks for the insights

I have seen it recently. My kid played a team with a national player on the field. Honestly not sure anyone could have picked her out as the "special player" on that team. She wasn't even that close to the best player on the field. Others on both teams in similar roles were more effective. No way would that one have been chosen as the YNT player.

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ECNL standings - FACTS

The ECNL end-of-season national event is really three different events:
Champions League = the A Bracket
North American League = the B bracket
Showcase = the C bracket

Without argument, most of the College coaches/scouts that attend the event will have more than their hands full just trying to see all the A bracket games that occur. But there will be some exposure for the B bracket, and maybe even a straggler or two at a C-game.

As the ECNL is all about college exposure and this event is the jewel in the crown, a parent wants to be there in the highest bracket possible to help justify the large expense of just being on the team all year.

So...

FSA will be sending:
A Bracket - U15*
B Bracket - U17
C Bracket - (none)

CFC will be sending:
A Bracket - U14, U16, U17
B Bracket - (none)
C Bracket - U15



*If the FC Stars or Bethesda can win their last 3 conference games they will bump FSA U15's out of the A Bracket and into the B bracket.

Mommy Coaches team is not in the A bracket? I am shocked with her kid leading that team? They should be the best in the land.

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Rubbish. Coaches will go to see players they are interested, no matter the bracket. You do realize that Internationals who failed to make any of the top 2 brackets last year have several kids on YNTS from U18-u20 and one who is in contention to go to the WC with the U-20s right

This event isn't a showcase. I was there with my HS aged daughter last year. She plays at FSA. Little to no activity at any of their games. Top games had 50+ scouts on their sidelines. Same complex and just a few fields away.

Yes, I agree that if a coach is close or interested in a specific kid they'll make an effort. No different than being buried in the bottom bracket at Jeff Cup and at a remote location.

This poster was speaking of National playoffs and not a showcase like PDA.

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Rubbish. Coaches will go to see players they are interested, no matter the bracket. You do realize that Internationals who failed to make any of the top 2 brackets last year have several kids on YNTS from U18-u20 and one who is in contention to go to the WC with the U-20s right

Hey MC, put down the keyboard you Oakwood clown.

You really have all the answers don't you.

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Hey MC, put down the keyboard you Oakwood clown.

You really have all the answers don't you.

I would never use the word rubbish.

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Champions league, National League, showcase, blah, blah, blah. Marketing to make all participants feel special. What a joke.

Joe about just playoffs or showcase, like the academy?

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Rubbish. Coaches will go to see players they are interested, no matter the bracket. You do realize that Internationals who failed to make any of the top 2 brackets last year have several kids on YNTS from U18-u20 and one who is in contention to go to the WC with the U-20s right

Lol of course they'll come to watch an NT level player or top D1 talent. Below that not so much. Short on time or get distracted chatting with someone or its too far to walk....no shows