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**Unregistered** · 05-12-2013, 12:35 PM

Here's the complete list of New England schools, plus a few notables often mentioned in TS. For whatever reason the Top 10 are not the same as described in the article above (perhaps they used an earlier listing?), but there are some real surprises there.

http://www.payscale.com/college-education-value-2013

1 Harvey Mudd College
2 California Institute of Technology (Caltech)
3 Polytechnic Institute of New York University (NYU-Poly)
4 Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
5 SUNY - Maritime College (in state)
6 Colorado School of Mines (in state)
7 SUNY - Maritime College (out of state)
8 Colorado School of Mines (out of state)
9 Stevens Institute of Technology
10 Stanford University
14 Harvard University
15 Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI)
15 Massachusetts Maritime Academy (in state)
19 Dartmouth College
20 Massachusetts Maritime Academy (out of state)
21 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI)
21 Williams College
23 University of Notre Dame
24 Princeton University
25 Babson College
45 Brown University
46 Cornell University - Ithaca, NY
50 University of Massachusetts (UMass) - Lowell Campus (in state)
53 Johns Hopkins University
60 Tufts University
62 University of Massachusetts (UMass) - Lowell Campus (out of state)
65 The College of William and Mary (in state)
66 Hamilton College - Clinton, NY
69 Amherst College
89 Wentworth Institute of Technology
93 Yale University
94 The College of William and Mary
111 Bentley University
135 Georgetown University - Washington D.C.
137 University of Maryland - College Park (out of state)
138 Brandeis University
151 Bryant University
154 Boston College
161 College of the Holy Cross
172 Providence College
189 Boston University
207 Merrimack College
216 Saint Anselm College
217 Northeastern University *
222 University of Connecticut (UConn) - Main Campus (out of state)
239 Fairfield University
246 University of Chicago
248 Pennsylvania State University (Penn State) - Main Campus (out of state)
258 University of Hartford
273 Western New England College
282 University of Rhode Island (URI) (in state)
291 University of Massachusetts (UMass) - Amherst Campus (in state)
296 University of Massachusetts (UMass) - Dartmouth Campus (in state)
304 Sacred Heart University - Fairfield, CT
318 Bates College
332 Wesleyan University - Middletown, CT
346 Middlebury College
359 University of Massachusetts (UMass) - Dartmouth Campus (out of state)
362 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC) (in state)
365 University of Massachusetts (UMass) - Amherst Campus (out of state)
378 University of Rhode Island (URI) (out of state)
386 Stonehill College
395 Quinnipiac University
422 Connecticut College
429 Nichols College
434 Central Connecticut State University (in state)
449 Western Connecticut State University (in state)
451 Colby College
471 Trinity College
509 Clark University - Worcester, MA
513 University of Vermont (UVM) (in state)
515 University of Maine at Orono (in state)
533 Central Connecticut State University (out of state)
556 Western Connecticut State University
564 University of New Hampshire (UNH) - Main Campus
441 University of New Hampshire (UNH) - Main Campus (in state)
578 Smith College
591 Anna Maria College
652 Assumption College - Worcester, MA
654 Fitchburg State College (in state)
670 Wheaton College - Norton, MA
690 Framingham State University
692 Bowdoin College
694 Roger Williams University
716 Ithaca College
725 Southern New Hampshire University
767 Emerson College
784 Worcester State University (in state)
820 Bridgewater State College (in state)
852 Massachusetts College of Art and Design (in state)
992 Wellesley College
1019 Salem State University (in state)
1038 Westfield State University (in state)
778 Endicott College

**Unregistered** · 05-13-2013, 09:22 AM

Interesting to note how many of the schools on the worst professor list are also near the top of the schools worth going to list.

9 Stevens - 15 worst
15 WPI - 11 worst
21 RPI - 6 worst
111 Bentley - 9 worst
137 Maryland - 25 worst

The only local school on the worth going to list and the best list is way down at 992 on the worth going to list.

992 Wellesley 9 best

**Unregistered** · 05-15-2013, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Interesting to note how many of the schools on the worst professor list are also near the top of the schools worth going to list.

9 Stevens - 15 worst
15 WPI - 11 worst
21 RPI - 6 worst
111 Bentley - 9 worst
137 Maryland - 25 worst

The only local school on the worth going to list and the best list is way down at 992 on the worth going to list.

992 Wellesley 9 best

I might be able to answer why some of these schools are considered having the worst professors based on a relative that went to one of them and his experiences. Assuming Stevens and RPI are similar to WPI, for many of the professors English is their second language. It is often difficult to understand the difficult concepts they teach when you need subtitles to understand their English.

**Unregistered** · 05-15-2013, 05:55 PM

Forgiving College Debt Won't Help Students
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100734929?__s...ge%20Loans%20W

College is too expensive, graduates can't find decent jobs and pay off their loans, and students, parents and educators all share in the blame. Now, President Barack Obama's is proposing a plan that would forgive more student loan debt -- but that will only make a bad situation worse.

More than half of recent graduates are working as waiters, taxi drivers or some other occupation that does not require a college education. The number in minimum wage jobs has doubled since 2007.

Slow growth and a tough jobs market is one reason, of course. But just as important: Too few college students choose tough majors like nursing, engineering and accounting that enjoy a robust demand for graduates. Instead, many still opt for liberal arts subjects, such as politics and history, and emerge with few practical skills for the working world.

Good jobs abound for technicians in health care, computers and other fields, and the Labor Department finds most rapidly growing occupations don't require a bachelor's degree. However, parents fear their children, without a four-year diploma, will lack the flexibility to navigate a lifetime of changing conditions.

If students are lazy and parents are risk adverse, university professors and presidents are far worse. Professors simply teach less and do more research of questionable value than they did in the past. In the 1950s and 1960s, a significant track record of publications was not required for tenure at most undergraduate faculties�advancing the frontiers of science and the arts was mostly the work of professors in post-graduate departments.

Nowadays, professors at all levels must publish to win tenure, but much of what they do adds little value to either the practical world or the advancement of knowledge in a purer sense. But it does require teachers to carry lighter teaching loads. Once tenured, many professors don't publish much, but still keep their light teaching schedules.

University bureaucracies are even worse�presidents and deans often have staffs bigger than CEOs and managers running much larger businesses. And faculties, which make virtually all decisions by consensus, spend endless hours in committees advising presidents and deans, and are supported by mind-numbing bureaucracies, too.

University presidents are politicians, not business managers. They understand who makes the choices (students), who pays the bills (parents) and who they must please in the Alice-in-Wonderland world of university governance�faculty.

They are rational: Instead of encouraging students to study useful subjects and containing sky-rocketing costs, they focus on fund raising and lobbying government officials to facilitate more student loans. Tuition jets into the stratosphere, students amass huge debt, and universities produce a lot of high-quality unemployment.

President Obama is rational, too. Parents, students and former students all vote. Instead of radically refocusing national policy to expand vocational education in high schools and community colleges, he promises to increase the percentage of Americans with four-year diplomas.

His proposed "Pay as You Earn," which came late last year, would forgive billions in student debt with federal dollars. Borrowers in the program would make payments equal to 10 percent of their monthly income, after rent and basic living expenses, and after 20-years of on-time payments would be forgiven of all debt�regardless of how much they had borrowed.

What the program fails to account for is that debt forgiveness simply encourages young people and parents to make poor choices, including borrowing too much. It will also embolden colleges to keep pushing up tuition�things the nation can't afford. It certainly won't help graduates find jobs.

To compete in the global economy and create good jobs at home, America needs workers with the right skills. That means limiting access to college to those who can genuinely profit from a university education, requiring professors to teach more and in on subjects that are truly useful in the workplace, and redirecting more of what the nation spends on education into other channels of vocational training.
Peter Morici is an economist and professor at the Smith School of Business, University of Maryland, and a widely published columnist.

**Unregistered** · 05-20-2013, 02:21 PM

According to a report released earlier this year by the Congressional Budget Office, this is how much cash the government is pocketing for each dollar that someone borrows through the federal loan program:

Federal profit for each dollar lent

Subsidized Stafford Loan: 12.49 cents
Unsubsidized Stafford Loan: 33 cents
Parent PLUS Loan: 49 cents
GradPLUS Loan: 54.84 cents

Can you imagine having a credit card and paying 33%, 49% or 54.84 % interest???

**Unregistered** · 06-20-2013, 08:37 AM

UMass Lowell at the top of the list of most underrated colleges.

http://www.businessinsider.com/most-...ca-2013-6?op=1

**Unregistered** · 09-21-2013, 09:09 AM

Another interesting list when considering colleges. Before you look, what's your guess for #1? I bet you'll be surprised at first.

Mass. colleges with the most reported crime

Using data provided by the FBI, here is a breakdown of Massachusetts colleges with the highest number of reported property crime and violent crime.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/money/mass-...3/-/index.html

**Unregistered** · 09-21-2013, 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

Another interesting list when considering colleges. Before you look, what's your guess for #1? I bet you'll be surprised at first.

Mass. colleges with the most reported crime

Using data provided by the FBI, here is a breakdown of Massachusetts colleges with the highest number of reported property crime and violent crime.

http://www.wcvb.com/news/money/mass-...3/-/index.html

My guess was an inner city state run school.

Kind of surprised at the women's schools on the list.

**Unregistered** · 09-21-2013, 09:19 AM

My guess would have been UMass Amherst.

**Unregistered** · 09-26-2013, 04:22 PM

The Decline of College

For the last 70 years, American higher education was assumed to be the pathway to upward mobility and a rich shared-learning experience. Young Americans for four years took a common core of classes, learned to look at the world dispassionately, and gained the concrete knowledge to make informed arguments logically.

The result was a more skilled workforce and a competent democratic citizenry. That ideal may still be true at our flagship universities, with their enormous endowments and stellar world rankings. Yet most everywhere else, something went terribly wrong with that model. Almost all the old campus protocols are now tragically outdated or antithetical to their original mission.

Tenure � virtual lifelong job security for full-time faculty after six years � was supposed to protect free speech on campus. How, then, did campus ideology become more monotonous than diverse, more intolerant of politically unpopular views than open-minded? Universities have so little job flexibility that campuses cannot fire the incompetent tenured or hire full-time competent newcomers.

The university is often a critic of private enterprise for its supposed absence of fairness and equality. The contemporary campus, however, is far more exploitative. It pays part-time faculty far less for the same work than it pays an aristocratic class of fully tenured professors with the same degrees.

The four-year campus experience is simply vanishing. At the California State University system, the largest university complex in the world, well under 20 percent of students graduate in four years despite massive student aid. Fewer than half graduate in six years....more than half of incoming first-year students require remediation in math and English during, rather than before attending, college. That may explain why six years and hundreds of millions of dollars later, about the same number never graduate.

The idea of deeply indebted college students in their 20s without degrees or even traditional reading and writing skills is something relatively new in America. Yet aggregate student debt has reached a staggering $1 trillion. More than half of recent college graduates � who ultimately support the huge college industry � are either unemployed or working in jobs that don�t require bachelor�s degrees. About a quarter of those under 25 are jobless and still seeking employment.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ge_119999.html

**Unregistered** · 10-09-2013, 09:18 AM

Affirmative Action and the real "welfare" class

Yep, the elites....biggest welfare class evah

http://www.businessinsider.com/princ...icants-2013-10

**Unregistered** · 10-10-2013, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered View Post

My guess was an inner city state run school.

Kind of surprised at the women's schools on the list.

umm..bad methodology..it is not in proportion to enrollment not indexed to residential versus non-residential.. schools only required to report crimes "on campus" so city schools or schools with high "on campus" residential rates will of course have more..even if crime is uniformly occurring across schools.. OR if some schools that have their own police and take care of crimes with logging an official report.. Brown reports 0 drug crime arrests for example...