ECNL Nationals - Boys

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Not an unusual story. One that makes DA daddy upset because he has a boy hanging onto the roster by his finger nails and the phone isn’t ringing. If you’re not playing 60 + minutes on a good DA team...what are you doing but kidding yourself?

If your commentary is so gripping yourself must be kidding !

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If your commentary is so gripping yourself must be kidding !

You English good.

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ECNL boys is a freaking B league girls league. Some of you clowns should be ashamed of yourselves puffing out your chests. Nobody cares but apparently you. The pathway to nowhere.

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D a a s s turd

The Boys ECNL is based on the values of grass-roots collaboration and innovation, and supports the independence and freedom of coaches and clubs to fully manage the development path for their players, including the system and style of play, the competitive calendar, and all aspects of the development path. The Boys ECNL will raise standards in training, competition, club organization, and coaching in a holistic development program.

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The Boys ECNL is based on the values of grass-roots collaboration and innovation, and supports the independence and freedom of coaches and clubs to fully manage the development path for their players, including the system and style of play, the competitive calendar, and all aspects of the development path. The Boys ECNL will raise standards in training, competition, club organization, and coaching in a holistic development program.

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Those marketing words mean very little. Your son is playing in an inferior girls league. The sooner you accept this, the better for all concerned.

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The Boys ECNL is based on the values of grass-roots collaboration and innovation, and supports the independence and freedom of coaches and clubs to fully manage the development path for their players, including the system and style of play, the competitive calendar, and all aspects of the development path. The Boys ECNL will raise standards in training, competition, club organization, and coaching in a holistic development program.

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Ecnl for boys = Easy Cash No-value League

Just a cash cow for us club soccer. Doesn’t compare to DA and IS youth Soccer National League is way better attended by college coaches. Not even close.

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not a bad list from this weekend and there are additional schools at the event that are not even on the list. and this is just a national event.

https://tgs.totalglobalsports.com/pu...g.aspx?eid=965

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DA is a pathway but ECNL is also .... so ether da or ECNL that’s your best chance or just walk on and don’t worry about being that Scholarship kid who’s going to do every everything just to keep there Scholarship active.

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DA is a pathway but ECNL is also .... so ether da or ECNL that’s your best chance or just walk on and don’t worry about being that Scholarship kid who’s going to do every everything just to keep there Scholarship active.

For that $8,000 scholarship

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Weird....no answer.

Texans

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My goodness this thread has more myths perpetuated than any I’ve read on here in a while. First, DA on an average is better than ECNL overall talent wise...The reasons are simple. First, DA has been around longer, second DA has MLS programs many of which have residency programs now and openly recruit, and develop kids for their pro teams. Teams like Atlanta United, and LA Galaxy regularly bring in foreign kids, and elite US kids and play them on their USL and higher level DA teams. Atlanta United has a 2002 running with the first team right now, he’s not even playing DA, he’s part of their professionals, and they regularly promote up their elite players and have 2 DA teams at each age group. So yes many of those top flight DA programs if they stacked up all their talent per age group on one team would be very difficult to beat. Heck look at this year for the U17 southern division, UFA is the regular season champs, and that team has some elite players but they are not an MLS program, and if that Atlanta United wasn’t more concerned about player development, and player movement and US Soccer national team development. If they just consolidated all their 2002’s on one team,
then they would probably have wrecked every team in that conference including UFA who has probably 4-5 elite players that have been called up to nationals. See not all clubs or circumstances are created equal. Third, the DA is how US Soccer scouts for National players overall, once a player has been invited up they are encouraged to go and play DA, and most preferably by the national team staff on a top flight MLS academy. The DA has been a puppet for many years for US Soccer, remember clubs with a DA have to pay US Soccer to have that designation and it is very costly, even more so than ECNL, so the successes of ECNL are changing the minds of many clubs, and US Soccer is considering changing DA as well To compensate...in the not to distant future expect DA to be tiered with an MLS/US Soccer component and other DA teams.

With that being said there are many ECNL teams that would beat DA teams. The Orlando City U17 ECNL beat one recently, and TBU U17 2002’s beat one at a college showcase as well in Atlanta.

Many scouts are realizing quickly that boys ECNL on many levels is very competitive and full of talent. But let’s not get disillusioned about college soccer. About 85-90% of every player is going to be paying some money to go to college. Soccer, except for an elite few, is not a fully paid situation- not for boys (girls are different due to Title IX). If you are an elite player chances are you might get 50% paid from an athletic scholarship even at the Clemson’s and UNC’s of the world...you’re still left to come up with stuff like housing, possibly books, and some tuition. That is where academics comes in on the boys side, and then if you have excellent grades schools can prioritize you and get you academic dollars from grants and scholarships, and if you qualify for hardship, need based money too. That’s how it works for boys, and remember the boys are competing with hundreds of foreign players that flood the country each year, guys who have flunked out of academies but are awesome players and want to come to America now to get a degree, a student visa, and oh by the way many schools will pay for those kids or get federal money for them so it doesn’t count toward their athletic s scholarship money which is why you see so many on D1 rosters. This is also why you see lots of elite players play at lower level schools, for example maybe the best kid in the state of FL go to a small D2 school in FL, because that school might have been willing to swing a full athletic scholarship to that kid, and he maybe qualifies for bright futures, so that kid is getting a full ride essentially, and he didn’t go to a top 25 elite D1 school for socioeconomic reasons— family simply couldn’t afford to swing the nut a private school, or out-of-State public school requires of them to pay...so they don’t go because they simply can’t afford. This is the ugly side of men’s soccer, and why so many D1 schools take internationals. I can give and know lots of names of kids that fit this bill. So grades are oh so important for DA, ECNL, NPL any kid that want to play college soccer. Remember this gets amplified at the D3 level which cannot give athletic scholarships, but there are some truly elite schools that play at that level. In that case you’re child should be using that opportunity to get into a school where you normally wouldn’t have been selected.

There were 40+ D1 schools at the Philly ECNL showcase last weekend, even more than listed on the link above. Schools like Nova, Maryland, Dartmouth, BC, and NCST were there but not listed. It doesn’t matter the count, Atlanta United had a showcase a week earlier, and just for a handful of teams, and they had 30 D1 schools, mostly the who’s Who, but it doesn’t matter if you are DA or ECNL for nearly every player they and their family will be paying some amount of money to play soccer in college. This is the reality of men’s soccer.

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My goodness this thread has more myths perpetuated than any I’ve read on here in a while. First, DA on an average is better than ECNL overall talent wise...The reasons are simple. First, DA has been around longer, second DA has MLS programs many of which have residency programs now and openly recruit, and develop kids for their pro teams. Teams like Atlanta United, and LA Galaxy regularly bring in foreign kids, and elite US kids and play them on their USL and higher level DA teams. Atlanta United has a 2002 running with the first team right now, he’s not even playing DA, he’s part of their professionals, and they regularly promote up their elite players and have 2 DA teams at each age group. So yes many of those top flight DA programs if they stacked up all their talent per age group on one team would be very difficult to beat. Heck look at this year for the U17 southern division, UFA is the regular season champs, and that team has some elite players but they are not an MLS program, and if that Atlanta United wasn’t more concerned about player development, and player movement and US Soccer national team development. If they just consolidated all their 2002’s on one team,
then they would probably have wrecked every team in that conference including UFA who has probably 4-5 elite players that have been called up to nationals. See not all clubs or circumstances are created equal. Third, the DA is how US Soccer scouts for National players overall, once a player has been invited up they are encouraged to go and play DA, and most preferably by the national team staff on a top flight MLS academy. The DA has been a puppet for many years for US Soccer, remember clubs with a DA have to pay US Soccer to have that designation and it is very costly, even more so than ECNL, so the successes of ECNL are changing the minds of many clubs, and US Soccer is considering changing DA as well To compensate...in the not to distant future expect DA to be tiered with an MLS/US Soccer component and other DA teams.

With that being said there are many ECNL teams that would beat DA teams. The Orlando City U17 ECNL beat one recently, and TBU U17 2002’s beat one at a college showcase as well in Atlanta.

Many scouts are realizing quickly that boys ECNL on many levels is very competitive and full of talent. But let’s not get disillusioned about college soccer. About 85-90% of every player is going to be paying some money to go to college. Soccer, except for an elite few, is not a fully paid situation- not for boys (girls are different due to Title IX). If you are an elite player chances are you might get 50% paid from an athletic scholarship even at the Clemson’s and UNC’s of the world...you’re still left to come up with stuff like housing, possibly books, and some tuition. That is where academics comes in on the boys side, and then if you have excellent grades schools can prioritize you and get you academic dollars from grants and scholarships, and if you qualify for hardship, need based money too. That’s how it works for boys, and remember the boys are competing with hundreds of foreign players that flood the country each year, guys who have flunked out of academies but are awesome players and want to come to America now to get a degree, a student visa, and oh by the way many schools will pay for those kids or get federal money for them so it doesn’t count toward their athletic s scholarship money which is why you see so many on D1 rosters. This is also why you see lots of elite players play at lower level schools, for example maybe the best kid in the state of FL go to a small D2 school in FL, because that school might have been willing to swing a full athletic scholarship to that kid, and he maybe qualifies for bright futures, so that kid is getting a full ride essentially, and he didn’t go to a top 25 elite D1 school for socioeconomic reasons— family simply couldn’t afford to swing the nut a private school, or out-of-State public school requires of them to pay...so they don’t go because they simply can’t afford. This is the ugly side of men’s soccer, and why so many D1 schools take internationals. I can give and know lots of names of kids that fit this bill. So grades are oh so important for DA, ECNL, NPL any kid that want to play college soccer. Remember this gets amplified at the D3 level which cannot give athletic scholarships, but there are some truly elite schools that play at that level. In that case you’re child should be using that opportunity to get into a school where you normally wouldn’t have been selected.

There were 40+ D1 schools at the Philly ECNL showcase last weekend, even more than listed on the link above. Schools like Nova, Maryland, Dartmouth, BC, and NCST were there but not listed. It doesn’t matter the count, Atlanta United had a showcase a week earlier, and just for a handful of teams, and they had 30 D1 schools, mostly the who’s Who, but it doesn’t matter if you are DA or ECNL for nearly every player they and their family will be paying some amount of money to play soccer in college. This is the reality of men’s soccer.

Good stuff...

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My goodness this thread has more myths perpetuated than any I’ve read on here in a while. First, DA on an average is better than ECNL overall talent wise...The reasons are simple. First, DA has been around longer, second DA has MLS programs many of which have residency programs now and openly recruit, and develop kids for their pro teams. Teams like Atlanta United, and LA Galaxy regularly bring in foreign kids, and elite US kids and play them on their USL and higher level DA teams. Atlanta United has a 2002 running with the first team right now, he’s not even playing DA, he’s part of their professionals, and they regularly promote up their elite players and have 2 DA teams at each age group. So yes many of those top flight DA programs if they stacked up all their talent per age group on one team would be very difficult to beat. Heck look at this year for the U17 southern division, UFA is the regular season champs, and that team has some elite players but they are not an MLS program, and if that Atlanta United wasn’t more concerned about player development, and player movement and US Soccer national team development. If they just consolidated all their 2002’s on one team,
then they would probably have wrecked every team in that conference including UFA who has probably 4-5 elite players that have been called up to nationals. See not all clubs or circumstances are created equal. Third, the DA is how US Soccer scouts for National players overall, once a player has been invited up they are encouraged to go and play DA, and most preferably by the national team staff on a top flight MLS academy. The DA has been a puppet for many years for US Soccer, remember clubs with a DA have to pay US Soccer to have that designation and it is very costly, even more so than ECNL, so the successes of ECNL are changing the minds of many clubs, and US Soccer is considering changing DA as well To compensate...in the not to distant future expect DA to be tiered with an MLS/US Soccer component and other DA teams.

With that being said there are many ECNL teams that would beat DA teams. The Orlando City U17 ECNL beat one recently, and TBU U17 2002’s beat one at a college showcase as well in Atlanta.

Many scouts are realizing quickly that boys ECNL on many levels is very competitive and full of talent. But let’s not get disillusioned about college soccer. About 85-90% of every player is going to be paying some money to go to college. Soccer, except for an elite few, is not a fully paid situation- not for boys (girls are different due to Title IX). If you are an elite player chances are you might get 50% paid from an athletic scholarship even at the Clemson’s and UNC’s of the world...you’re still left to come up with stuff like housing, possibly books, and some tuition. That is where academics comes in on the boys side, and then if you have excellent grades schools can prioritize you and get you academic dollars from grants and scholarships, and if you qualify for hardship, need based money too. That’s how it works for boys, and remember the boys are competing with hundreds of foreign players that flood the country each year, guys who have flunked out of academies but are awesome players and want to come to America now to get a degree, a student visa, and oh by the way many schools will pay for those kids or get federal money for them so it doesn’t count toward their athletic s scholarship money which is why you see so many on D1 rosters. This is also why you see lots of elite players play at lower level schools, for example maybe the best kid in the state of FL go to a small D2 school in FL, because that school might have been willing to swing a full athletic scholarship to that kid, and he maybe qualifies for bright futures, so that kid is getting a full ride essentially, and he didn’t go to a top 25 elite D1 school for socioeconomic reasons— family simply couldn’t afford to swing the nut a private school, or out-of-State public school requires of them to pay...so they don’t go because they simply can’t afford. This is the ugly side of men’s soccer, and why so many D1 schools take internationals. I can give and know lots of names of kids that fit this bill. So grades are oh so important for DA, ECNL, NPL any kid that want to play college soccer. Remember this gets amplified at the D3 level which cannot give athletic scholarships, but there are some truly elite schools that play at that level. In that case you’re child should be using that opportunity to get into a school where you normally wouldn’t have been selected.

There were 40+ D1 schools at the Philly ECNL showcase last weekend, even more than listed on the link above. Schools like Nova, Maryland, Dartmouth, BC, and NCST were there but not listed. It doesn’t matter the count, Atlanta United had a showcase a week earlier, and just for a handful of teams, and they had 30 D1 schools, mostly the who’s Who, but it doesn’t matter if you are DA or ECNL for nearly every player they and their family will be paying some amount of money to play soccer in college. This is the reality of men’s soccer.

This is why grades are more important period

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This is why grades are more important period

Yes, grades should always be most important. If you're some prodigy at soccer, and by U16 have been called up to the National team, and have MLS schools lurking and trying to recruit you then that is the minority...they might be able to get into a school with marginal grades, or not even worry about college at all. But you know the number of those kids each graduating class? Maybe 25-50 at most! The rest need to find a quality balance of athletics and academics. If you're an elite player, struggling to keep a 3.0, about your best bet at soccer is a JUCO, NAIA, or maybe D2 if you're really good, again those numbers are minimal.

The socioeconomic aspects of college athletics for boys not playing football or basketball, and baseball in some cases is big. Lots of big schools that want to be uber competitive at soccer can't even sniff at around 30% of all players because they can't get them into their school. At UNC or say even a USF can make exceptions grades wise for foreigners though, and they often get money for creating diversity at the school from the school, and many international players can receive need based dollars if their families can't cover, and qualify for reduced tuition and housing because their parents income is not counted. This is part of the reason so many rosters at the D1 level are filled with foreign students.

There is lots of values with playing soccer in college, but 98% of the people posting on this site need to know that all that money you're piling into training, and DA, or ECNL, will not result in zero tuition and college expenses. Expect to pay, and if you want to pay even less then grades are the key. Schools LOVE talented kids with great grades, and test scores, makes them easier to get the player scholarship and grants (since they can get them a priority status on selection), and add in a low income status with that, well then some schools can get a family even more money, and collectively that player and family maybe paying little to none, but it won't come strictly from an athletic scholarship usually. Again this is all about boys, girls is another matter, there are far more full ride athletic scholarships out there for girls, and a much more robust recruiting world.

I would also add, again outside of a few truly elite players, like less than the top 150 coming out of HS each year, most families and kids have to do their own recruiting to go to college. Do not think the coaches will 'find your kid' unless he is that good, and you'll know by the time he's 16 if he's that good. You've got to send e-mails, videos, highlights, accolades and references just to get them to noticed, and you need to start before their junior year. Don't do a camp at a college where you're paying for more than $200 and expect your kid to be seen, don't buy into the regional camps with all the different coaches in attendance, rarely are kids found. They say they are, but that's because they've normally found the kids before and then asked them to attend one to see them train, and workout, but usually the kid knows he's in, or one of the guys they're considering.

Grades you can always fall back on, a hope and a prayer for some athletic scholarship money for soccer is far from a given, and might go hand-in-hand with your child having good grades. Find a balance, and make sure grades comes first.

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Yes, grades should always be most important. If you're some prodigy at soccer, and by U16 have been called up to the National team, and have MLS schools lurking and trying to recruit you then that is the minority...they might be able to get into a school with marginal grades, or not even worry about college at all. But you know the number of those kids each graduating class? Maybe 25-50 at most! The rest need to find a quality balance of athletics and academics. If you're an elite player, struggling to keep a 3.0, about your best bet at soccer is a JUCO, NAIA, or maybe D2 if you're really good, again those numbers are minimal.

The socioeconomic aspects of college athletics for boys not playing football or basketball, and baseball in some cases is big. Lots of big schools that want to be uber competitive at soccer can't even sniff at around 30% of all players because they can't get them into their school. At UNC or say even a USF can make exceptions grades wise for foreigners though, and they often get money for creating diversity at the school from the school, and many international players can receive need based dollars if their families can't cover, and qualify for reduced tuition and housing because their parents income is not counted. This is part of the reason so many rosters at the D1 level are filled with foreign students.

There is lots of values with playing soccer in college, but 98% of the people posting on this site need to know that all that money you're piling into training, and DA, or ECNL, will not result in zero tuition and college expenses. Expect to pay, and if you want to pay even less then grades are the key. Schools LOVE talented kids with great grades, and test scores, makes them easier to get the player scholarship and grants (since they can get them a priority status on selection), and add in a low income status with that, well then some schools can get a family even more money, and collectively that player and family maybe paying little to none, but it won't come strictly from an athletic scholarship usually. Again this is all about boys, girls is another matter, there are far more full ride athletic scholarships out there for girls, and a much more robust recruiting world.

I would also add, again outside of a few truly elite players, like less than the top 150 coming out of HS each year, most families and kids have to do their own recruiting to go to college. Do not think the coaches will 'find your kid' unless he is that good, and you'll know by the time he's 16 if he's that good. You've got to send e-mails, videos, highlights, accolades and references just to get them to noticed, and you need to start before their junior year. Don't do a camp at a college where you're paying for more than $200 and expect your kid to be seen, don't buy into the regional camps with all the different coaches in attendance, rarely are kids found. They say they are, but that's because they've normally found the kids before and then asked them to attend one to see them train, and workout, but usually the kid knows he's in, or one of the guys they're considering.

Grades you can always fall back on, a hope and a prayer for some athletic scholarship money for soccer is far from a given, and might go hand-in-hand with your child having good grades. Find a balance, and make sure grades comes first.

curious as to what colleges think of kids being home schooled. any thoughts? thanks for your very informative posts.