InStat: Good or Bad

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Easiest way to improve ECNL is to switch its focus from scrimmages, games, showcases and "physical readiness" to real soccer development.

Reducing teams would achieve a lot of that.

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Reducing teams would achieve a lot of that.

I’m told most d1 coaches use instat and when you send video snippets made from a club’s instat account, it’s easier for them and more likely they’ll look at it. Don’t know if it’s true, just what someone said.

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I’m told most d1 coaches use instat and when you send video snippets made from a club’s instat account, it’s easier for them and more likely they’ll look at it. Don’t know if it’s true, just what someone said.

What do you think InStat is ?

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What do you think InStat is ?

https://www.soccerwire.com/news/inst...ccer-programs/

A personalized player analysis platform used by colleges?

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https://www.soccerwire.com/news/inst...ccer-programs/

A personalized player analysis platform used by colleges?

This was published in June 2020. Wonder how many coaches started using it since then?

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Instat is “potentially” good but in practice, by youth clubs, it isn’t. It depends on being absolutely accurate in terms of the minute by minute lineups and substitutions, otherwise the software isn’t capable of tracking true player performance. It will improve in the future but it’s current iteration is really only useful at the highest levels, where film recording and subs are tracked perfectly.

Our team used it and my kid would get reports that he played 45 minutes when he actually played 90 but they never tracked that he switched positions at halftime. On other occasions they’d show 90 but h only really played 70. It became hard to take the reports seriously but it did give coaches some ammo for the complaining parents, which was probably its primary use.

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https://www.soccerwire.com/news/inst...ccer-programs/

A personalized player analysis platform used by colleges?

To do what? Recruit? Or analyze their own players? Why would they trust the data when they know how hard it is to get accurate data?

Some of these Clubs are really misrepresenting certain things.

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This InStat stuff is really being misrepresented by youth clubs. Perhaps Man U, Liverpool etc it makes sense but cmon youth girls soccer??? Just focus on basics...not these gimmicks.

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This InStat stuff is really being misrepresented by youth clubs. Perhaps Man U, Liverpool etc it makes sense but cmon youth girls soccer??? Just focus on basics...not these gimmicks.

Exactly and parents need to understand how much work needs to go into it, that youth coaches are extremely unlikely to do. As mentioned, the positions and subs must be tracked perfectly, or else you get all sorts of incorrect player read outs, which is like a waterfall of errors across everyone on the team. Instat made parents on my kids team crazy, because they were being told it factored for playing time but the read outs were constantly full of errors. It has great potential, and yes, a pro or college team with someone paid to do the work would find it really useful, but in practice at the youth level it may be more hassle than it is worth.

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Exactly and parents need to understand how much work needs to go into it, that youth coaches are extremely unlikely to do. As mentioned, the positions and subs must be tracked perfectly, or else you get all sorts of incorrect player read outs, which is like a waterfall of errors across everyone on the team. Instat made parents on my kids team crazy, because they were being told it factored for playing time but the read outs were constantly full of errors. It has great potential, and yes, a pro or college team with someone paid to do the work would find it really useful, but in practice at the youth level it may be more hassle than it is worth.

Yes, but you cop out at the end. Its useless in its current form. Its even worse because it provides disinformation that can be manipulated in a world where parents are short on objective input. Tells you how shady the game is

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Yes, but you cop out at the end. Its useless in its current form. Its even worse because it provides disinformation that can be manipulated in a world where parents are short on objective input. Tells you how shady the game is

Shady is the name of the game so this tool is perfect for that in today’s youth soccer world. Smoke and mirrors

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Exactly and parents need to understand how much work needs to go into it, that youth coaches are extremely unlikely to do. As mentioned, the positions and subs must be tracked perfectly, or else you get all sorts of incorrect player read outs, which is like a waterfall of errors across everyone on the team. Instat made parents on my kids team crazy, because they were being told it factored for playing time but the read outs were constantly full of errors. It has great potential, and yes, a pro or college team with someone paid to do the work would find it really useful, but in practice at the youth level it may be more hassle than it is worth.

You people make me laugh. Parents complain about their kid being better then the starter but still doesn't get any time and now they have a tool that can show it but you still complain.

Is it perfect, no, nothing is in the early stages. Doesn't mean it can't or shouldn't be used. How do you think it gets better? I've seen it used and the amount of data produced and it isn't a bad tool even for youth sports.

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My kid's team had it. Honestly one of the players who consistently had high ratings week after week was one of the worst players on the team and was cut at the end of the year. Every week he'd have above average instat index, good numbers but anyone watching could see he was really struggling to keep up.

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My kid's team had it. Honestly one of the players who consistently had high ratings week after week was one of the worst players on the team and was cut at the end of the year. Every week he'd have above average instat index, good numbers but anyone watching could see he was really struggling to keep up.

I would imagine his numbers were boosted by either low amount of playing time vs better teams and better stats vs worse teams. Over all number is never a good look. Numbers vs the better teams would be.

Example

Played 60% vs poor team and had relatively 90% or better on key stats - Index would be higher

Played 20% vs good team and had 60% or worse - Would produce a poor game index but when combined with the other game makes him look average.

It also really depends on how the player does vs the key stats instead of overall. A bad pass that the other player has to make adjustments to get to is still a completed pass.

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Right, but parents see an index and say "look, this is an above average performance based on this technology that you said is for evaluating the players" so for clubs it really is a double edged sword. YOu either trust it and have to stand by the outputs, since you basically have parents paying for this or you dont trust it and then have to decide what is the point?